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Apr 24, 2015 8:35:01 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 8:35:01 GMT -5
I think staff in general don't like it when one clan becomes too popular because it destabilizes the political power of the game world but rather than make the other game world factions more apparent and represented to balance things out, the take they more economical option of leveling out the organizations that have high numbers.
I think it'd be cool if they were more backing, guidance or even positive IC direction and incentive (not threats but something good) provided by NPCs to other PCs to challenge and oppose these groups that become successful and popular (but maybe this does happen and I'm just not seeing it.)
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Byn
Apr 24, 2015 8:36:27 GMT -5
Post by reasonable on Apr 24, 2015 8:36:27 GMT -5
Jeshin1) Do you believe in clan caps on the number of people allowed to be recruited or join? Y/N I believe in caps only for the purpose of making sure all open clans have enough PCs for them to be open. Caps shouldn't be a hard number, they should be a percentage of the total amount of players in an area. With only one city this should be easier than ever to do. 2) Do you believe that the Byn should always have loose hiring policies or policies determined by the Sarge with no ooc directives from staff? Y/N Loose. If they have three small then they should be able to join, period. 3) Do you believe that contracts and RPTs should be 'reasonable' and not pre-planned murder jobs? Not whether they seem to be, just if an RPT is designed to kill off members of a clan than is that not okay with you? Explain? No RPT should ever be designed to kill PCs, but they should be appropriately dangerous. An RPT to get jozhal skins should not result in a were-jozhal that kills everyone. An RPT to wipe out a group of raiders will probably kill a few PCs, not on purpose but as a result of the danger of the RPT.
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Apr 24, 2015 8:38:38 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 24, 2015 8:38:38 GMT -5
I'm far to mysterious to tag O.O
Do you believe that staff have ever or have recently done RPTs with the intent of clearing out a clan? If I have a contract to escort Amos from Allanak to Luirs and I get raided by a high number of gith that slaughter half the escort detail. Is that just an appropriately dangerous RPT/Animation or is that suspect to you?
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Apr 24, 2015 8:39:28 GMT -5
Post by reasonable on Apr 24, 2015 8:39:28 GMT -5
Someone who played a good non-sponsored leader got handed a sponsored role? That always happens, too. Pretty sure that Sefaj was sponsored. Only ever interacted with him once, but don't recall seeing him until after a Byn Sergeant role call. As far as I know from when a bunch died, it happened because they bit off far more than they could chew when they took a contract. Maybe they were coerced into it? I'm not sure. You may very well be right (about Sefaj being sponsored), and if so then I will amend what I said.
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Post by sirra on Apr 24, 2015 8:39:35 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that if staff wanted to break up the Byn, they would've done it without killing. Then you don't know staff very well. Even eight years ago I would've looked at this comment and snorted. It's not like they actively set out to destroy clans - most of the time. But when they get a sense that some group is disturbing the traditional balance of power, they will throw a few (or a dozen extra) gith/spiders/tarantulas/mysterious epic statted NPC killing machines at you. If you somehow survive, like ED 2.0 did when it survived the miloka assassins...Then it's fair enough. If you die screaming, then they are not entirely inconsolable. Even if it's not uncommon for them to feel a slight twinge of guilt after the fact. This isn't a big conspiracy. Storytellers/dungeonmasters/GMs do this to their own groups all the time. It's a unique kind of pseudo-spite, but which gets enhanced since many of the staffers are also players, and who have the typical negative views towards whatever group is jumping at any given time and detracting attention from THEIR clan. In kronibas' case, staff cut the Byn down to size for the same reasons they've done it at least a half dozen times before. Because the Byn is meant to supply trained recruits to other clans, and other clan staffers/players bitch when everyone would rather be sparring and jerking each other off in the Byn than following their templar or noble alt around.
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Byn
Apr 24, 2015 8:42:24 GMT -5
Post by reasonable on Apr 24, 2015 8:42:24 GMT -5
I'm far to mysterious to tag O.O Do you believe that staff have ever or have recently done RPTs with the intent of clearing out a clan? If I have a contract to escort Amos from Allanak to Luirs and I get raided by a high number of gith that slaughter half the escort detail. Is that just an appropriately dangerous RPT/Animation or is that suspect to you? That wouldn't be appropriate unless that area is clearly gith territory... which it isn't really. There's a few gith here and there.
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Apr 24, 2015 8:43:05 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 24, 2015 8:43:05 GMT -5
So if it happened, you would be suspect.
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Apr 24, 2015 8:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 8:43:25 GMT -5
I don't really agree that, if the staff wanted a group gone, that they would just fire the characters in it. Heh, that has never, ever happened, but what HAS happened, is clans getting killed off or having huge chunks taken out of them because some staff members didn't like the way the clan was going.
The other RPTs you talk about hold a little more merit in relation to the conversation.
RE: the Nakis and the gypsies, and the Northern deal.
On the gypsies and Byn thing: this was part of a global, game-changing RPT. Not a single clan outing. These sorts of deaths should be expected from large, history making events. I mean, people have always complained about how ridiculously barbaric they are - often due to getting spammed and killed, not really how the odds were stacked one way or another.
I can't really speak about the Northern RPT and how it compares to the Byn one. How many PCs died and what killed them would be useful information in making the comparison.
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Apr 24, 2015 8:46:34 GMT -5
Post by reasonable on Apr 24, 2015 8:46:34 GMT -5
@kronibas, Gith NPCs killed the Grey Forest explorers. Or most of them.
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Apr 24, 2015 8:47:34 GMT -5
Post by Jeshin on Apr 24, 2015 8:47:34 GMT -5
The forest gith are pretty jacked. I have a log of Elrum going toe to toe with one and it actually put up a fight.
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Apr 24, 2015 8:47:46 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 8:47:46 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I don't think sirra's talking points of spitefulness, the concept of "their" clans, and the known tendency of staff metagaming PC populations can be readily dismissed.
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Apr 24, 2015 8:50:20 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 8:50:20 GMT -5
As far as the gith go, I would be curious to know how far the staff went in using the gith to kill players. Did staff members animate the gith and target the weakest members, like they did with focusing on the runners and the merchant in the Byn RPT? Or did players simply stumble into a pack of badass NPCs known to loiter in groups of three to five and accidentally get their asses handed to them, as was the case when the Naki militia discovered how deadly a mantis clutch in a hole can be?
To be sure, there is a definite distinction.
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Apr 24, 2015 8:54:23 GMT -5
Post by reasonable on Apr 24, 2015 8:54:23 GMT -5
The gith down there for the rpt were animated and loaded in mass amounts. I've been there as an invisible whiran and saw they don't spawn in large groups. 1-2 per room and very spaced out, normally.
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Apr 24, 2015 9:04:07 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 9:04:07 GMT -5
The fact that is was an exploratory RPT maybe had something to do with NPCs being loaded when players reached a point where they weren't really supposed to be.
This differs from the Byn RPT in the fact that the Byn one was basically on a train track: it went from point A to point B, per staff design, with three different tiers of Murder along the way: meks, a fuckload of scorpions, and then heinous NPCs with mind bending powers, a branched weapon, a half-giant, a mul...
When the exploring group left, I wonder if they set off on a staff-orchestrated series of traps and ambushes - arguably, cheap shots - or if they simply wandered into a lot of peril.
If more RPTs occurred where groups were targeted in the way the Byn was targeted, I would be a little happier. But, let's say for instance that Nyr had actually been successful in staffing his new templar group in the North. After actually putting in the long hours that it takes to set up a clan properly - let's say for the sake of discussion that Nyr actually successfully managed to do this when he put in the new Templars - then I VERY seriously doubt that he would have turned around and smashed it all to hell with a murder RPT.
But, it is very easy to do to a group of non-sponsored characters what a staff member would NEVER do to their own group immediately after getting it situated. Right when the Byn was getting good, the staff spitefully smashed it to bits.
You cannot sit there and tell me that they would do the same to a group that they helped make, like the hypothetical successful templar group. You just can't because we all know they wouldn't.
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Apr 24, 2015 9:19:17 GMT -5
Post by reasonable on Apr 24, 2015 9:19:17 GMT -5
OK. Unfortunately, we're never going to agree then. A templar died in the gith forest RPT, so Tuluk wasn't as protected by Nyr as you seem to think.
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