Byn

The Byn and the Darkmoon Division are basically intact compared to a year ago. Even Heejo is still alive, though I'm not sure what clan he's in or if he's in one at all. You're not making any sense and you're losing perspective the longer you go without playing.

The then-incarnations of the clan were utterly demolished - I don't know or care about what a dark moon division is - so just because new PCs made their way into the group doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it was, indeed, blown to bits.

also, reasonable, continuing to insult me and act condescendingly instead of actually discussing things that multiple people have problems with, well, it makes you look far from "reasonable."

Instead, it sorta makes you look like a kiss ass. 

Umm, did you ever read the posts about the log? I was right in the middle of it.

Did you even read the accounts of the two other players who were there and also called bullshit? Yeah, sorry, I am not really the only one who perceives the situation as such. 

And yes, learning that three shadow board players were in the Byn and died during that makes it seem like the staff knew who they were - and that the deadliness of the RPT indicates that the staff wished to kill them while also striking a large blow to a clan who had bodies that, for instance, Nyr needed for his new templars and new shartists.

For instance, Sefaj's player was immediately handed a role in the north... To fill the ranks of one of Nyr's new projects.

Hmmm.

Okay, I take it that your stance is that no OCC factors came into play when deciding upon that murder RPT.

I disagree with you. I believe OOC considerations - shadow board participants, the need for players in other clans, etc - DID lead to the deadliness of that RPT. Do I have imm chat logs of staff members talking about how hilarious it will be to kill the Byn chars of some shadowboad people? No.

All we have is an RPT that was very murderous out of negligent design or to accomplish some staff side metagaming.

Name and discuss another RPT in recent history that played out like this, reasonable. I can only think of two other semi-comparable clan-killing RPTs, one involving a clan of magickers and the other involving some DElves, and both of those situations also happened to suit a staff-side metagame.

Nyr should go back and kill them, obviously he messed up by allowing these two to escape his butchery. Now that they've escaped death they went on to ruin Tuluk, ruin the Byn and drove Nessalin to an early retirement.

Quick question for everyone reading this thread..

1) Do you believe in clan caps on the number of people allowed to be recruited or join? Y/N

2) Do you believe that the Byn should always have loose hiring policies or policies determined by the Sarge with no ooc directives from staff? Y/N

3) Do you believe that contracts and RPTs should be 'reasonable' and not pre-planned murder jobs? Not whether they seem to be, just if an RPT is designed to kill off members of a clan than is that not okay with you? Explain?

Why do I ask those 3 simple questions to establish a base line of dialogue. If you're someone who believes in clan caps than there's no point in arguing them with you. If you're someone who believes that the occasional clan clearing RPT is totally fine than there's no point in arguing their downsides with you. If you're someone who believes the staff should ooc direct IC hiring policies in a clan that isn't having a membership problem or breaking docs by hiring a bunch of gickers than there's no point in arguing that with you.

But if you do agree on some of those points than we can at least agree on those and quibble about whether this RPT or that RPT was indeed orchestrated to clear the decks for a clan or not. As I stated in the beginning of this thread at one point (according to OOC friends in the byn) there was a staff directive to change hiring policies. Now how long that lasted and for which time period it was, I can't specify because I can't recall. But I would imagine it was near around when I posted it.