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Post by BitterFlashback on Nov 17, 2015 18:48:00 GMT -5
Just as wolves, lions, bears and other dangerous predators went extinct a few centuries after humans got their shit together, I guess. Right. 1) He pointed out spiders are nowhere near the top of their food chain. 2) Humans have hunted/fished species to extinction even before they got their shit together, and it is disingenuous to list things they haven't. Regarding #2, I recall learning a long time ago about some breed of horse (or horse-like creature) that ancient humans hunted to extinction. The method of hunting was actually pretty brilliant: they would intentionally frighten them in the direction of a cliff's edge, knowing at least part of the the stampede wouldn't be able to stop in time. Then they would harvest the corpses at the bottom. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 19:44:58 GMT -5
Indians do/did that with buffalo, too. Called 'buffalo runs'. It's pretty hawt. Actually they really decimated the buffalo population for a while, and it's still nowhere what it once was.
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Post by jcarter on Nov 17, 2015 21:35:36 GMT -5
nearly every 'critically endangered' species as listed by the world wildlife foundation is an apex predator or one that doesn't likely have any predators such as rhinos. i'd also go so far as to say that the only reason those animals still exist is due to conservation efforts of humans to preserve them for the sake of preserving them.
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Post by sirra on Nov 18, 2015 21:38:54 GMT -5
The Australian aboriginals pretty much wiped out all of Australia's large fauna, excepting the kangaroo. There used to be these huge, basilisk-type lizards, think gigantic komodos, that were the apex predator. Their method of hunting was setting fire to hundreds of square miles of scrub forest, and then picking through it for the burnt remains.
North and South America suffered similar fates (goodbye giant sloth). Although, weirdly enough, there is evidence in South American caves of people keeping megatherium in pens or some kind've cage.
There also used to be lions in Europe, elephants in North Africa and at one point, Ireland was famous for seemingly being overrun with wolves...well into the late middle ages.
Essentially, the only large fauna that survives are those that are either 1) Useful 2) Preserved for sentimental reasons or 3) Live somewhere we don't want to.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 0:22:09 GMT -5
Wait, really? Did they have matches or what?
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Nov 19, 2015 1:09:10 GMT -5
There would quickly be zero animals in this game if anything resembling extinction or an ecosystem were put into place.
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Post by rotten on Nov 19, 2015 2:46:44 GMT -5
There would quickly be zero animals in this game if anything resembling extinction or an ecosystem were put into place. But that's more because this is a dead world we're supposed to be talking about. Let's admit it, Zalanthas as it is in the game ain't that bad. |
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Post by ask on Nov 19, 2015 9:02:41 GMT -5
Indians do/did that with buffalo, too. Called 'buffalo runs'. It's pretty hawt. Actually they really decimated the buffalo population for a while, and it's still nowhere what it once was. actually, it wasn't the NDN population to blame. of course, they hunted them from time to time, but most Plains tribes revered the creature - they're also the ones that would've had the most exposure to the creature and opportunities to hunt it. sitting bull's name in lakota was tatanka iyotanka for pete's sake. anyway - www.petersenshunting.com/featured/was-the-buffalo-nearly-hunted-to-near-extinction/blame whitey. and disease, actually. *retreats back into her cave* |
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Post by dcdc on Nov 19, 2015 11:06:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 11:26:40 GMT -5
People in US actually think it was indians who hunted buffalo into extinction?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 11:35:51 GMT -5
Well, except buffalo aren't extinct. They were almost extinct in the 1800's though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 11:43:34 GMT -5
Apparently who exactly was directly responsible for hunting the buffalo to near extinction is a point of contention among scholars. It was definitely the hunting tactics that Europeans brought over that tipped the balance, but Native Americans as well as whites were using those methods in the 19th century when the buffalo population crashed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 13:41:25 GMT -5
Apparently who exactly was directly responsible for hunting the buffalo to near extinction is a point of contention among scholars. It was definitely the hunting tactics that Europeans brought over that tipped the balance, but Native Americans as well as whites were using those methods in the 19th century when the buffalo population crashed. My point exactly. PS: Lakota Sioux, Blackfoot, and Cherokee heritage. I am not exactly clueless about the area of contention around it but yeah, no, whether or not it was native people's responsible, their tactics are certainly a large part of what happened and how it happened. |
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Post by king on Nov 19, 2015 13:43:04 GMT -5
it was the white settlers who butchered the populations. you guys went to school, right?
we shot them for fun, shot them for hides and tongues, and shot them to remove pests from our expansion zones. people would even shoot them off the back of trains while they were passing by for sport.
it was not the Native Americans who reduced their population from an estimated 4-5 million to the low thousands by sending them off cliffs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 13:54:54 GMT -5
it was the white settlers who butchered the populations. you guys went to school, right? we shot them for fun, shot them for hides and tongues, and shot them to remove pests from our expansion zones. people would even shoot them off the back of trains while they were passing by for sport. it was not the Native Americans who reduced their population from an estimated 4-5 million to the low thousands by sending them off cliffs. Bone deposits 40 ft deep. And you could kill 100s at a time. Yes, white settlers tried to drive the buffalo to extinction to kill off the natives. No one ever said white people didn't have anything to do with it. Point is they were hunted to 500 total at one count back in the day. From 31 million. Which means that the spider thing about how they should be extinct is apt. You can argue semantics of shit if you want to. There's a reason why I rarely post here anymore. Someone else can waste their time in pointless arguments over a game I no longer play, and someone else can field the insults. I don't care to. |
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