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Post by BitterFlashback on Nov 10, 2015 19:54:22 GMT -5
In this case, it's more like the goose that laid the golden egg.
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Post by sirra on Nov 10, 2015 21:11:35 GMT -5
In this case, it's more like the goose that laid the golden egg. That's actually a perfectly poetic analogy for what Nyr/Nessalin/Adhira has done to Armageddon. Well. It would be perfectly accurate if afterwards the farmer, (Nyr) went around slaughtering other random animals on the farm, hoping to find golden eggs in them. Adhira would be the farmer's unassuming wife, who 'kindly' promised the other animals that they wouldn't be the next one slaughtered, and that they were working on Farm 2.0 where everyone would shit golden eggs all the time, so as to lull them into a false sense of security. Nessalin would be the creepy farmhand that has sex with the dead animals after they're slaughtered. Rath is the travelling salesman who is allowed to sleep in the farmer's barn, but must not put his - oh, wait. That's another proverb. |
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Post by mood on Nov 12, 2015 14:53:10 GMT -5
and, to be crystal fucking clear: we don't trust you to have creative vision. damn son... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 19:56:20 GMT -5
All this spider RPT hatred. Geezus christ. It's a simple rpt that keeps the military clans busy. That's all. It's not an HRPT, It's something simple and basic. Nobody claimed it wasnt. It was fun and it was mundane. None of it was lightshow. When Kurac was active, there were rpts like that pretty much every month, except with the gith.
I swear, I can see it happen that some staffer is working on some whatever plot that can actually pan out into something awesome, he/she'd read a thread like that, and just say fuck it.
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Post by dcdc on Nov 12, 2015 20:00:23 GMT -5
Hmm although you're being fair, to staff.
I would like to say, most of us say such things in good hearted Jest.
I'm totally down for the wolf spider centaur niliaz raid.
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Post by delerak on Nov 13, 2015 12:36:30 GMT -5
Come talk to me when you've played Arm as long as me and some others. Spider RPTs don't exactly excite me anymore. If you had fun good for you. People can speak their mind here, that is the point of these forums.
Most people aren't excited about it because they've done it before.
Also why in the fuck are the spiders able to avoid extinction anyways? It irks me that Arm has never actively changed the ecology systems because of player actions. Oh we slaughtered ever single spider virtually but they magically come back. Do they even procreate or just spring up from the ground. What is this Don't Starve? GTFO with this nonsense, it's an RPI and the staff should spend more time changing the world due to player actions than having generic spider RPT #6 this year.
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Post by Patuk on Nov 13, 2015 13:29:31 GMT -5
.. wut
That's like asking why mosquitoes are still around IRL. Sheesh.
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Post by delerak on Nov 13, 2015 14:12:42 GMT -5
Giant spiders aren't exactly mosquitoes. Do they have no natural predators? Are they the apex hunter? I really doubt it. Let's look at things that can kill/hunt spiders which seem to be lone predators and not pack animals.
-gith
-packs of raptors
-elves and their tribes
-any hunter from the city
-mantis
-dujat
-packs of anakore
-packs of jakhal
I mean really the only thing spiders have going for them is they are codedly powerful NPCs. What do they subsist on a diet of sand and scrabs I suppose?
It's unrealistic things like this that I question constantly about games. Load up some actual real eco-system. If spiders hunt jozhal there should be a decent bit of jozhal around the area where they roam. If some PC comes in and hunts the jozhal to extinction then guess what the spiders will probably not be having a very good time of it.
When you can answer me what spiders actually live off of I will take the rest of this discussion seriously. Until then I think we can all admit that Arms idea of hunting is ludicrously outdated and not realistic at all.
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Post by delerak on Nov 13, 2015 14:21:00 GMT -5
Some cool things muds could do to make it seem more realsitic:
-migratory patterns?
-a circle of life? if there is an apex predator we should know what it is (arguably its going to be the humans/players of said humans)
-there seems to be too many carnivores and not enough omnivores/herbivores. The fact that mekillots subsist on salt worms is stupid. Most large creatures are foragers and eat tons of plant life, not meat. Not saying you can't have the random T-Rex here and there it just should be the exception for massive creatures and not the rule.
- the gortok code for vocalizing was a player idea from years ago. Why not do cool stuff like this for raptors, jakhals, and other 'pack' creatures that hunt. Packs of hunters like raptors should be the most dangerous thing in the game, not one random massively-statted spider that has max offense/defense and is used as a sparring dummy for the most powerful PCs to get that one last point in a skill.
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Post by Patuk on Nov 13, 2015 14:59:39 GMT -5
Just as wolves, lions, bears and other dangerous predators went extinct a few centuries after humans got their shit together, I guess. Right.
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Post by dcdc on Nov 13, 2015 15:04:58 GMT -5
Giant spiders aren't exactly mosquitoes. Do they have no natural predators? Are they the apex hunter? I really doubt it. Let's look at things that can kill/hunt spiders which seem to be lone predators and not pack animals. -gith -packs of raptors -elves and their tribes -any hunter from the city -mantis -dujat -packs of anakore -packs of jakhal I mean really the only thing spiders have going for them is they are codedly powerful NPCs. What do they subsist on a diet of sand and scrabs I suppose? It's unrealistic things like this that I question constantly about games. Load up some actual real eco-system. If spiders hunt jozhal there should be a decent bit of jozhal around the area where they roam. If some PC comes in and hunts the jozhal to extinction then guess what the spiders will probably not be having a very good time of it. When you can answer me what spiders actually live off of I will take the rest of this discussion seriously. Until then I think we can all admit that Arms idea of hunting is ludicrously outdated and not realistic at all. I'm sure that me along with small group of other ill fated player have steadily feed them a nice diet of low stated characters. |
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Post by gloryhound on Nov 13, 2015 16:03:44 GMT -5
Some cool things muds could do to make it seem more realsitic: -migratory patterns? -a circle of life? if there is an apex predator we should know what it is (arguably its going to be the humans/players of said humans) -there seems to be too many carnivores and not enough omnivores/herbivores. The fact that mekillots subsist on salt worms is stupid. Most large creatures are foragers and eat tons of plant life, not meat. Not saying you can't have the random T-Rex here and there it just should be the exception for massive creatures and not the rule. - the gortok code for vocalizing was a player idea from years ago. Why not do cool stuff like this for raptors, jakhals, and other 'pack' creatures that hunt. Packs of hunters like raptors should be the most dangerous thing in the game, not one random massively-statted spider that has max offense/defense and is used as a sparring dummy for the most powerful PCs to get that one last point in a skill. Why hasn't this been done, despite similar things being suggested? I suspect it's an Arm 2.0-like effect. Not content to just do components incrementally, it turns into a call for a major ecology project, which then bogs down in the bureaucracy as it becomes too large to be wieldy, and quietly dies as staff turnover removes its proponents. |
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Post by gloryhound on Nov 13, 2015 16:08:52 GMT -5
Here's how I've rationalized it. Drov beetles, scrab and such have a larval stage underground. We know that's where all of the water is, so why not a lively underground ecosystem. They get pretty big before undergoing metamorphosis, then upon reaching the adult stage, they burst out of the sands to find prey, mate, and deposit their eggs back underground again.
Maybe they're primary consumers in the larval stage, eating who knows what in terms of roots and such. Seems a bit sketchy for an arid wasteland, but then, maybe the plants that can extend their roots deeply enough are well-watered.
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Post by delerak on Nov 13, 2015 17:02:27 GMT -5
Man I will take anything at this point. I have only what I was taught in grade school to go off of so there are way smarter people with biology or environmental science college degrees that could probably chime in and make us all look stupid. I just want SOMETHING interesting. Something that makes some sense. I think the mantis lands come close at least we can say.. oh rantarri hunt the erdlu. Erdlu are grazing animals so they just eat grass and shit. Boom eco-system right there.
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Post by lyse on Nov 13, 2015 17:12:57 GMT -5
What happend to escru?
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