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Post by grumble on Nov 1, 2015 22:21:39 GMT -5
I'll say. It's kind of soul-crushing, morale-sapping for the players of the recruits. I can honestly understand why Purg is upset, I can't blame him for it. I would have liked it if he'd been more restrained in his communications with staff, but more-so, I really wish staff had understood what, about it, was upsetting, and not responding as harshly to them as they did.
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Post by glacierflux on Nov 1, 2015 22:26:33 GMT -5
isn't it great how every request from the players for staff to behave decently is deflected by some version of "You guys need to behave decently first"?
no. staff holds the cards and should behave like decent fucking people because its their game and they have the power to ruin someones entire online hobby. real sorry they chose to spend evenings and weekends managing a bunch of socially defunct lunatics who pretend to be murderers for fun but the onus is on the people with power to behave like grown ass adults.
the president and other government officials get hate mail by the ton, you don't see Obama going on tv and trash talking his racist haters or nuking peoples houses for threatening his life. he behaves like a decent person. BECAUSE HE HAS THE POWER TO ACTUALLY RUIN SOMEONES LIFE FOREVER. and everyone knows it. if you have the power to nuke someones hobby why be a fucking jerk about it no matter how impotently they spit at you. be the bigger person. didn't any of those fucks watch seseme street
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Post by grumble on Nov 1, 2015 22:39:56 GMT -5
While I agree with you where the majority of the responsibility for polite, respectful communication lies, I do think at times we can be counter-productive to our goals. If I say, got a job at a Wendy's or a Wal-mart or what have you, and I treated the customers like staff treat some of their players, I would, not be employed long, I don't think. And that's the key, I think, staff can choose to behave like some dickhead cop just because they have power over a situation in which people have a vested interest, or they can realize that they're harming the very thing they love by treating players like that. I, were I in their shoes, would choose to try and have a more positive outlook of even my most troublesome players, and try to say, well, what can I do differently here? Because this is unsustainable, as-is.
It saddens me that Purg tried to fight fire with fire, and this, in turn, harms his objectives.
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Post by punished ppurg on Nov 1, 2015 23:12:27 GMT -5
Thanks jkarr for posting that .txt for me... You guys can talk about my decisions and whatnot, but I hope you understand what I did was for the basis of improving the game and improving the experiences of the players who had chosen to play with me. Even as it has harmed my objectives, it just leaves me feeling like a sorry sod for the lot of it. /end derail of the GFTGDB thread (heh)
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Post by grumble on Nov 1, 2015 23:42:00 GMT -5
I believe you had the best of intentions, I loved playing with you, to be honest. Do you remember that scene where that roundear "spy" was drug off? I laughed my ass off. I had to keep reporting him to the AoD because he would NOT stop threatening me.
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Post by delerak on Nov 2, 2015 0:41:38 GMT -5
I think at the end of the day most players just want a simple explanation like, "Okay yeah the code is fucked up there."
Honestly that's all I ever wanted sometimes if I ever died in a cheesy way and shot out an email. I just want you to admit that the code is stupid and old and isn't working right. I never cared about the res as much because I knew the staff favorites got the res's. None of the common players will ever get resurrected even if they deserve it.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Nov 2, 2015 15:30:35 GMT -5
There is a thread about it that discusses it in depth. The one thing I remember from back there was that a recruit attacked. And then the other recruits joined in. That was a mistake of characters and training. It doesnt matter if it was attacking another soldier, a traitor, or a freaking Gaj in the sands. Recruits should have known that it wasnt them who initiates combat. Someone is usually designated to be on point, while the rest assist. The person on point was the Sargeant I'm assuming, who ... did not attack. For whatever reason. My assumption would be him thinking of possible consequences, or perhaps hoping to emote it out, or was just staling behind, it doesnt matter. So recruits ... broke rank and attacked first. So they died for breaking formation. It's worth remembering that the main point of contention was that the staff created a situation where players were expected to attack. The players attacked and got slaughtered by NPCs. Then staff shirked all responsibility for the scenario they chose to create. If the players weren't supposed to follow orders from the PC templar and get cut down by the code, then what was it the staff wanted to play out in that scene?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 15:48:12 GMT -5
There is a thread about it that discusses it in depth. The one thing I remember from back there was that a recruit attacked. And then the other recruits joined in. That was a mistake of characters and training. It doesnt matter if it was attacking another soldier, a traitor, or a freaking Gaj in the sands. Recruits should have known that it wasnt them who initiates combat. Someone is usually designated to be on point, while the rest assist. The person on point was the Sargeant I'm assuming, who ... did not attack. For whatever reason. My assumption would be him thinking of possible consequences, or perhaps hoping to emote it out, or was just staling behind, it doesnt matter. So recruits ... broke rank and attacked first. So they died for breaking formation. It's worth remembering that the main point of contention was that the staff created a situation where players were expected to attack. The players attacked and got slaughtered by NPCs. Then staff shirked all responsibility for the scenario they chose to create. If the players weren't supposed to follow orders from the PC templar and get cut down by the code, then what was it the staff wanted to play out in that scene? the moment you see a staff animation, you should just 'quit ooc staff'. i recall someone posting a real nasty reply from nyr on these boards a while ago, roughly: the player was like: um, this player kind of just quits out when i'm in the room, and it's frustrating. nyr was like: nobody has to play with you, bitch, get over yourself. ditto to staff, bitch, get over yourselves.
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Post by grumble on Nov 2, 2015 17:06:01 GMT -5
Well, there are some players, who tend to create some scenarios I just don't want to be part of. There's some PCs with way too much power (socially, codedly, or both), who, you likely just, shouldn't interact with... though as to the player who posted Nyr's reply, I have no way of knowing what was going on there, so I can't say.
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Post by jkarr on Nov 2, 2015 18:54:00 GMT -5
i recall someone posting a real nasty reply from nyr on these boards a while ago, roughly: the player was like: um, this player kind of just quits out when i'm in the room, and it's frustrating. nyr was like: nobody has to play with you, bitch, get over yourself. ditto to staff, bitch, get over yourselves. lol fuck that i wouldve given him the exact same reply, esp when the guy didnt even attempt to give a case for why staff should give two fucks about his frustration over another players logout habits (for example the guy is a criminal wanted for questioning by ur templar char and they run and quit out anytime ur char walks into the room). if u made a complaint that he made regularly made jarring quit exits that interrupted whatever scene he was in everytime u entered, theyd probly just remind him to play out his exits or ooc if he cant and its an emergency otherwise u (general u, dont cry lol) come off as a needy little bitch that cant handle other players exercising their right to quit whenever the fuck they need or want to quit, even if it turns out that they just dont want to play with u
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 20:57:34 GMT -5
There is a thread about it that discusses it in depth. The one thing I remember from back there was that a recruit attacked. And then the other recruits joined in. That was a mistake of characters and training. It doesnt matter if it was attacking another soldier, a traitor, or a freaking Gaj in the sands. Recruits should have known that it wasnt them who initiates combat. Someone is usually designated to be on point, while the rest assist. The person on point was the Sargeant I'm assuming, who ... did not attack. For whatever reason. My assumption would be him thinking of possible consequences, or perhaps hoping to emote it out, or was just staling behind, it doesnt matter. So recruits ... broke rank and attacked first. So they died for breaking formation. It's worth remembering that the main point of contention was that the staff created a situation where players were expected to attack. The players attacked and got slaughtered by NPCs. Then staff shirked all responsibility for the scenario they chose to create. If the players weren't supposed to follow orders from the PC templar and get cut down by the code, then what was it the staff wanted to play out in that scene? When the same PC got killed by another staff mistake. A staffer threw a knife with a 1000 strength stat. They admitted the mistake and processed the resurrection before the player even got around to asking for it. They didnt need a public outcry, or a thread, or even a request. They admitted it on the spot and rectified it. This 3 recruit dying scenario was a clusterfuck. The staff decided that it's a clusterfuck unworthy of a rez. You cant ... well ... you 'shouldnt' say that staff is incapable of admitting a mistake, because they have done it with another scenario. They simply made a different decision on this other incident. We all have our own opinions, this clusterfuck wasnt clearcut and obvious, no matter how much Purg thinks it is. So their decision was different then what Purg thought was right. Purg kept on pressing the issue, with continuously rising hostility, until it got to the point where it stopped being relevant who's right and who's wrong and became a matter of 'fuck you'. Admittedly, Nessalin and Nyr's behavior on this, made this whole thing even worse and regardless of Purg's words and behavior, Nessalin and Nyr shouldnt have lost professionalism. But ... they did, what else is new. No one argues that they're a pair of fucktards. My main argument there is that he approached the issue as if he is in complete and total right and that any other opinion except his is lunacy and idiotism. How often in your own life do you ever truly get your way, when you approach "anyone" in "any" topic, of "any" location with an attitude like that IRL?
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Post by jkarr on Nov 2, 2015 21:38:46 GMT -5
My main argument there is that he approached the issue as if he is in complete and total right and that any other opinion except his is lunacy and idiotism. How often in your own life do you ever truly get your way, when you approach "anyone" in "any" topic, of "any" location with an attitude like that IRL? it seems to be working just fine for nyr
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 22:17:47 GMT -5
Yeah, and that shit created these forums and made Desertman as well as others go dark side. Soooo ... that's a weird double post Joffnyr and Nyr?
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Post by jkarr on Nov 2, 2015 22:24:09 GMT -5
yup my mistake fixed it
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Post by topkekm8s on Nov 2, 2015 22:29:06 GMT -5
My main argument there is that he approached the issue as if he is in complete and total right and that any other opinion except his is lunacy and idiotism. How often in your own life do you ever truly get your way, when you approach "anyone" in "any" topic, of "any" location with an attitude like that IRL? it seems to be working just fine for nyr This is how the alpha male human social dynamic works, you poor thing
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