jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Feb 6, 2015 3:37:26 GMT -5
yep well aware of that i think basically they couldnt trust ppl to use it realistically because u bet ur ass there are ppl that probably would never take the gear off. way to ruin it for everyone
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 4:19:53 GMT -5
I think seeing more than height/weight taking time (sorry, I can see without even directly looking at someone most of what they are wearing, as well as skin/hair/eye color, build, major deformities or odd distinguishing shit without even looking directly at them, let alone taking time to study them) to see is ridiculous and a fuckload more unrealistic than the idea that putting a hood up would keep your mdesc hidden.
As much as I hate that some assholes on southlands wander around hood-up all the time, the fact that damn near all masks/cloaks hide your description is a lot more realistic than making it take an extended delay of any sort to see what a person looks like.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Feb 6, 2015 7:46:14 GMT -5
As much as I hate that some assholes on southlands wander around hood-up all the time, the fact that damn near all masks/cloaks hide your description is a lot more realistic than making it take an extended delay of any sort to see what a person looks like. disagree but idgaf as long as the kids get fed |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 7:47:17 GMT -5
The solution is pretty simple, and always has been:
Masks, facewraps etc. should hide one's description. Then make it so that if you're wearing one, you can't do a bunch of shit like walking into taverns, buying from NPC merchants (except in the 'rinth), entering a city through its gates, etc. Maybe impose random movement delays inside cities as soldiers 'stop you to check.' This will mean that if someone wants to remain masked at all times and be completely impervious to detection, they won't be able to do much and won't have an easy time fucking with people unless they're in a lawless area.
Secondly, either keep hoods as is or make them conceal mdescs and have a command like 'stare' from SoI which lets someone attempt to glean the features of a hooded (not masked) person but takes a few seconds and alerts the target that it's happening so they can react accordingly. Having your hood up should be a way to avoid cursory detection but shouldn't stand up to scrutiny.
Ultimately, the best solution would be a modular description system, but that's never gonna happen. The GDB would quickly drum up a pamphlet of reasons why such a change would be awful and you should find out IC and I always keep my awfully statted characters, praise Nyr.
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Post by nobody on Feb 6, 2015 8:10:04 GMT -5
I think reversing the way the system works now might prove better. So far, people look at 'shady' figures trying to cover up, with masks, wraps, cloaks and such, it only takes them seconds to type look figure, and then they have everything on you pretty much. You have to pray they are good role players, and won't call you out straight away, or react differently around you in a public life from then on afterwards.
What if mdesc hiding gear was put back into the game, but a study command was implemented? I think that would be better. It still allows a chance to find out more on the shady figure, and it can give a delay, so that the figure might get to hide, or get away to avoid it, within RP reason. In a single room when one person is talking to the other, hiding to avoid it would be cheesy. Make the study command utilise the hemote code as well? So that when you go to study, it might not reveal all the time to the victim. That sort of system has its own faults as well, but it just gives the criminal a slightly better chance to avoid detection, but not an impossible one. To study, you should also have to be watching the person.
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Post by lyse on Feb 6, 2015 8:33:31 GMT -5
Well, let's not forget some people way you when you have you hood up just to get your sdesc too. There was a thread where people were co-signing doing that too. You're in the middle of a robbery, someone pops in and withdraws...now you gotta kill someone.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Feb 6, 2015 8:53:51 GMT -5
What if mdesc hiding gear was put back into the game, but a study command was implemented? I think that would be better. It still allows a chance to find out more on the shady figure, and it can give a delay, so that the figure might get to hide, or get away to avoid it, within RP reason. In a single room when one person is talking to the other, hiding to avoid it would be cheesy. yeah thats why i put up the toggle suggestion so u wouldnt have to do some retarded shit like stand and hide if u were already mdesc hidden and wanted to put up some stealth or watch skill check against their watch skill when they studied u. also make it break hide or at least give a chance to if ur trying to study someone while ur still hidden |
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Post by dcdc on Feb 6, 2015 10:06:42 GMT -5
Well, let's not forget some people way you when you have you hood up just to get your sdesc too. There was a thread where people were co-signing doing that too. You're in the middle of a robbery, someone pops in and withdraws...now you gotta kill someone. Biggest pet peeve of mine. People seem to care more about their fukken text base weapons and coins than they ever do about fucking role playing. I know people like to rag on staff. But half of Arm's player base are equally the fucking problem. |
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Post by jcarter on Feb 6, 2015 10:11:25 GMT -5
why do you need to way them? can't you just use key command to confirm it?
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Post by jkarr on Feb 6, 2015 10:15:46 GMT -5
why do you need to way them? can't you just use key command to confirm it? contact figure confirms it without the guesswork |
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Post by jcarter on Feb 6, 2015 10:20:51 GMT -5
i didn't realize you could contact figures. lol, is that a new (less than 4 years) change?
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Post by jkarr on Feb 6, 2015 10:26:21 GMT -5
lol no idea its fucking stupid and i know for a fact ppl used to contact/cease just for the sdesc and they probably still do it now. i even remember hearing about staff supporting players using it for that very purpose
EDIT: but i think u could only use it if they were in the same room
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Post by Patuk on Feb 6, 2015 10:51:15 GMT -5
If someone in an amber, vine-embroidered cloak is in the room with you, >contact vine.embroidered.amber will indeed yield their sdesc.
I've had it happen enough that I figured staying hidden really won't work well and worked around it.
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Post by sirra on Feb 6, 2015 12:06:55 GMT -5
Is there anything Plainsman didn't have at one time or another? i didn't realize you could contact figures. lol, is that a new (less than 4 years) change? Been that way as long as I can remember. It 'feels' to me, that it was giving sdescs at least as far back as ~2006. Because I fucking hated those people who contacted me while my hood was up. Edited because Del's statement below suggests at one time it did give 'hooded figure' and my memory might just be shit. |
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Post by delerak on Feb 6, 2015 12:45:55 GMT -5
You used to get: You contact the figure in a dark hooded cloak.
Hoods/masks used to just show that in the Way. I remember when they made the change. Dumbest shit ever.
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