So about Tuluk

Probably plays a part. Many might not know for sure exactly what "the death of the lirathan order" means. I dont. Total mindbending fuckery still in effect? Dont know. Safe to assume so until proven different.

I noticed a distinct lack of rebuttal. Youve jumped back to your strawman about how Q is responsible for everything and "the staff allowed it" even though you've been repeatedly been told the staff required it for a role they came up with over a decade ago. youre literally framing the problems the staff created when people were still talking about Y2K on someone who showed up something like 5 years later. I just want you to realize how much reality you're ignorng while you're making shit up.

This is wishful-thinking bullshit where you guess things that would support your argument and hope they're true. Are you also just guessing we're doing the same thing, now? is it your hope nobody here actually knows the facys? Because youre going to be disappointed.

Tuluk's activity nosedived in late 2013. You might recall 2013 because it was a few months ago. nyr hamfisted Shadow Artistry and two sponsored roles and a shitload of PCs all retired and left over it. During that time Q was logging in during what we in the States would call normal hours less than once a week. Please stop making shit up asif nobody here played in Tuluk.

Nyr is the reason Tuluk is dead. Q and his relation to her have nothing to do with it. Her player is playing exactly what the staff wanted when they designed Lirathuans.

And we're right back to your non-argument about how everyone's chief responsibility is fun. so here's part of the argument you're ducking. Id like to know if you have a response yet that isn't changing the subject.

May 13, 2014 10:04:26 GMT -5 @ghaati said:

But nowhere does she have any responsibility at all to say, "you know what, I'm just so damned good at doing this thing, it's fucking things up for people, and that means it's making it un-fun for those people.

Q's player can always step up and say "Hey - no more of this, it's not making things fun for everyone, it's making things UNfun for everyone."

It says so right here last paragraph: armageddon.org/help/view/Magick

In Tuluk, fear and hatred of magick among the populace are widespread, in no small part due to the destruction of Old Tuluk by a magickal cataclysm. Known magickers of any sort are killed on sight. Any magickers who do attempt to live out their lives in Tuluk do so in secrecy, with a never-ending fear of being discovered and put to death.

So yeah she does have a responsibility to play her role correctly. Your argument is no different than someone playing a half-elf complaining that the racism from humans and elves makes their play "less fun" and how people "have a responsibility to ignore the docs in the name of fun." It's a nonargument. The docs have always warned you playing a mage in Tuluk is deadly and you're upset its deadly. Well why the fuck werent you using barrier?

When Q was walking you out to murder you did you try OOCing "Hey, how bout you not kill me because I wanted to have fun?" Because then her player would totally feel guilty and metagame being inept in the name of fun.

So just to be clear YOUR FUN doesnt mean shit to whether or not she needs to store any more than YOUR FUN means people should be nicer to your half-elf. Read the docs. If you dont like the way a role is supposed to feel don't whine and lie about everyone else acting wrong when it plays out exactly as it should and you don't like it.

And once again you COULD be cautious and you COULD use barrier and you COULD expect Tuluk to match the docs. You choose not to. Why the hell should she store just because you're irresponsible with your playing and youre scapegoating her for the staffs' decisions?

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It is entirely the staff's fault for requiring Lirathuans execute mages/sorcs/psis as the only possible action. Considering how much butthurt and making things up on the spot this thread is full of, i really doubt people claimng she never emotes can be taken for having facts on their side.

You know, if Qoriya is so detrimental to the game. Someone should just off her... I remember there was a newb Lirathan that tried to arrest a half-giant preserver in Tuluk. That dude killed her, 2 NPCs, and a PC Legionnaire. Qoriya is ancient, her stats are probably shit, and even her NPC guards shouldn't be beyond a skilled PKer to get to her.

You think Lusts of Blood or Howls (red fang) couldn't kill Qoriya if they actually went into Tuluk and she was outside the heart?

The more I think about it, the more I agree with Jcarter. People might agrue about her killing mages, and such, but there is no reason this person had to basically play the equivilant of an NPC. Yes they are not responsible and playing according to documentation, in the same way a person can choose to play a dwarf who's focus is to trick 'naive' (newbies) people in the desert to kill them but make no mistake they are still a douchebag. They are playing a sponsored role and really only focus on the griefing portion of it, while hiding away most of the other time. She could at least make trips to the tavern like the old nobles still do after all these years but no, she chose to play a character who is ruthlessly effective at destroying any sort of plot. Again they are not entirely responsible because staff designed the class, and should have stopped her a long time ago, but she chose to play that class in the role that she does. So while the player of quoriya is not totally responsible for still being around, they are still a complete and utter douchebag.

As for killing her, qoriya doesn't step out into the open at all even within the city. When they do its only briefly before heading back to whereever they hide, probably in the heart somewhere. On top of that she's already died a few times, she died in the HRPT too i believe but they were resurrected after a few days. I heard some of the militia soldiers were told to RP it as she had somehow gotten lost and then had been found a few days (well ic weeks later)

I was thinking though, that perhaps some people just got their wish and still don't know it. People have hated Tuluk for so long and have been asking it to be shut down. Well the place is designed not to be fun at the moment. Shadow artists took away the rp and fun of finding, hiring and sometimes training your own assassin in plots. Of course there is qoriya, someone who kills plots, but fails to contribute anything in return even if only some tavern atmosphere. Tuluk's nobles are stagnant and seem mostly waiting to die at this point. To top it all off, it is now shrinking. I mean you couldn't have had the staff just close/remove the entire place in one shot. However, it sometimes feels like the place is slowly being closed off with carefully planned steps.

Yeah, they can sense presence.

I was able to kill a max psionicist with sense presence on an old whiran though. It can be done.

I second the advice here. there's already a credibility gap for some of you who keep pretending Q diverged from the staff requirements for that role. I think it's leading you to assume she's "allowed" to stray because of favoritism.

Since it's late I think things have calmed down enough for a story. Back before the HRPT where Tuluk rebelled and overthrew their nakki oppressors, Tuluk was semi-active. But it was always the most fucking boring place in the game. I say that as someone who enjoyed the occasional visit to Red Storm East while it was empty. Tuluk was confusing to navigate. Also annoying. Some of the rooms in the city took stamina to walk through, Freil's Rest had to be entered, and if you had brief room on you wouldn't be told where the exit room was.

My memory of it was Tuluk was a disorganized mess of rooms that only supported socializing and woodcrafting. It was like a boring version of Nak in a safer area and looked like some god stomped their deific boot on the city and grinded it with the heel before moving on.

Anyhow after the Rebellion HRPT, the staff decided to try and give Tuluk a new flavor. Tuluki templars would no longer have spells to further distance Tuluk from Nak. Their concept was a cross between Ankh-Morpork (Diskworld series) and Airstrip One, Oceania (1984). But heavier on the Orwell than the Pratchett. Wht they wanted was a place where you had mindbender Thought Police and everyone plasters smiles on and acts like perfect citizens with perfect lives who are terrified. people would be disappeared and everyone who knew them would be afraid to discuss the,. ditto to mages, sorcs, and psionicists.

Obviously they failed due to lack of follow-through. They got distracted with Arm 2 not long after. But that's where the Lirathuans came out of. the whole kill anyone who has bad thoughts or doesn't fit in thing would have worked out pretty well if they hadn't half-baked the public docs for it. And if they hadn't shied away from killing high-profile immpets who had it coming.

So i suppose my knowledge of the background is why I have absolutely no qualms with a mindbender straight-up murdering the shit out of most of your characters for not using barrier. Because I know - not think or believe but actually know - that was part of the Tuluk the staff were shooting for. they failed miserably to complete the picture. The complete picture would have been way more interesting than the current Nyrred mess. But in fairness to that cockbag this was a carryover problem that only recently became his fault.