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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 15:19:02 GMT -5
What is Qoriya's sdesc, in case I ever run into her? The rawboned something woman, I don't even remember all of it because it was changed partway through after I was her clan staff. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 15:20:25 GMT -5
My complaint is she refuses to put herself in any kind of harm's way. She'd shun Legion PCs for interaction or guards. Why take a risk when you have 100% loyal NPCs. Nope go hide out with your NPCs and "win" the game. That is, again, expected of a Lirathan. They are physically pretty easy to waste and are supposed to avoid leaving the city at all if possible unless a jihaen is there at the very least. Or were, rather. New order and all. Meh. |
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Post by jcarter on May 13, 2014 15:20:35 GMT -5
@ ghaati bitching and pointing out a circumstance aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, and unfortunately this seems to be the case here. nice try tho.  even so u don't need to repeat that u were even making a point; the second to last statement in my last post summed that shit up. as well theres no reason to try and surmise how or even why player could enjoy doing some things ig unless ur just trying to make a weak case against playing a role that permits or even relies on those things just because u just don't like the aspect it brings to the game. which brings me back to my original point; ur gripe is against the structure that allows and provides for the role to exist ghaati never responded to your post, are you talking to someone else? |
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Post by jkarr on May 13, 2014 15:24:12 GMT -5
fixed, ty
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 15:24:35 GMT -5
bitchety bitch bitch bitch. she's a psionicist Templar who's playing true to her role by mindfucking and killing the shit out of threat pcs for spans of years just as the staff planned. ur playing a far different game than the rest of us to bitch about someone in an 8 karma psionicist Templar role getting 'ridiculously unfair' advantages. that's the whole fucking point.this just sounds like a whole bunch of bitching at seeing someone get to play such a powerful role unscathed (which is perfectly realistic) for rl years while doing exactly what the role demands with the advantages she's given for that purpose. it seems more like u've got a problem with the setup (state-supported psionicists) more than anything, because without that a psionicist like qoriya would have 'risked being killed while on task' far more than she has with state backing.all ur left with then is some bitching about what players get off on doing (which is just an empty ad hominem that means shit all when the player is playing realistically and within the docs) Yessir, this, this, and this. This all over the place. Especially the parts I bolded. That's why I more or less maintain my position that I don't really lay any blame whatsoever at Qoriya's feet. Would I like to see her give someone who she has a guaranteed kill on more roleplay? Yes, abso-fucking-lutely, but that can be said about 98% of pks in general so again, it just doesn't hold water as being a personal thing. It's the entire framework of making an omniscient thought police whose sole purpose is to disappear thought criminals that is to blame for... well, just that very thing happening. And that is on the hands of whoever came up with the docs/roles for new tuluk, not someone who is playing a sponsored role 5 years after the fact. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 15:29:29 GMT -5
No, it's not bitching, it's pointing out a game-wrecking circumstance, wondering however can the staff condone it, and wondering what sort of player would revel in it. The people who are bitching are the ones on the GDB who fret over how dead Tuluk is. Well, duh. The staff created it. Period. It may or may not have changed when the orders changed, but the point is... it has nothing to do with the player who is playing the role they app'd for to a perfect T. It has everything to do with the fact that the role created and implemented was clearly done without care for the ripples it would have, or without some sort of foresight, one. Either way, she is not the first lirathan to be played that way, though with the change of orders, she'll be the last, one would think. It is the role of Lirathan that is cause of the issue, not the person playing one, because every other lirathan has been played at least 80% the same, most of them just did stupid shit that was spelled out for them not to do, and wound up dying prematurely because of it. Like Isatep, disobeying the protocol of not leaving the gates without a jihaen present, wound up dying to a novice whiran after 3-4 rl years of play, because they are fucking squishy. |
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Post by jcarter on May 13, 2014 15:31:37 GMT -5
Except, as previously mentioned, she notoriously metagames by shunning PC soldier interaction in favor of NPCs that can't turn against her, can't be used to gate to her, or mind-controlled to turn against her. And that there are plenty of IC tools and methods beyond PKing that she could use. To sit here and pretend that the player is doing an a-okay job and just working with the role they're given is white-washing away any responsibility a special app role like that carries.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 15:38:00 GMT -5
And of course there's the argument that seems to be getting lost in the shuffle:
Yes, Q is a sponsored role and now has 8 karma.
Whose decision is it to approve of Q's sponsored activities and grant her that 8 karma? Who? What's his name again? Wait - could it be? Oh yeah. It's the one everyone always says is WRONG. Nyr.
So which is it? Is Nyr right for a change, and Q is doing exactly the RIGHT thing, since Nyr is approving of it and giving her sanction to continue? If so, then you probably all owe Nyr a HUGE apology.
On the other hand, Nyr is probably wrong. Therefore - Q is NOT doing the right thing, and probably knows it, but will continue until someone comes around and says "hey - you're done fucking everything up for everyone, GTFO."
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 15:38:04 GMT -5
Except, as previously mentioned, she notoriously metagames by shunning PC soldier interaction in favor of NPCs that can't turn against her, can't be used to gate to her, or mind-controlled to turn against her. And that there are plenty of IC tools and methods beyond PKing that she could use. To sit here and pretend that the player is doing an a-okay job and just working with the role they're given is white-washing away any responsibility a special app role like that carries. Every other lirathan that has been played that I have seen has also used npc soldiers as an escort. Every. Last. One. And it's not a case of shunning the soldiers when the Lirathans aren't actually connected to the Legions that way. From the documentation on it, it is the JIHAENS that should be dealing with the Legions, and the Lirathans should be dealing with the Jihaens, because the Lirathans are not combat oriented and have no interest in the Legions (for the most part), which is why things were divided up as mental defense - psionic lirathans/physical defense - ninja-haens. It is like getting upset that your apple tree isn't growing lemons just because they're both fruit. While a Lirathan can certainly add pcs to her entourage, she is not supposed to be without the npcs, and the pc soldiers would be unlikely because lirathan escorts are generally supposed to be slaves. Period. It is right in their docs. |
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Post by jkarr on May 13, 2014 15:39:23 GMT -5
playing for as many RL years as she has under as much scrutiny as an 8 karma psionicist-templar, i'm fairly sure something would've been done if she'd been metagaming in a manner the staff didn't approve. ive seen other Templars do the same, but honestly that first gripe the other guy made about NPC solders reeked of someone who played a pc guard that had his plans to off the bitch thwarted, lol
esp. since templars of other stripes in other city-states have done the same sort of metagaming with no one bitching about that; it just becomes an issue for some when an ultrapsionic version of the same takes the same metagamey precautions to her benefit
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 15:40:25 GMT -5
And of course there's the argument that seems to be getting lost in the shuffle: Yes, Q is a sponsored role and now has 8 karma. Whose decision is it to approve of Q's sponsored activities and grant her that 8 karma? Who? What's his name again? Wait - could it be? Oh yeah. It's the one everyone always says is WRONG. Nyr. So which is it? Is Nyr right for a change, and Q is doing exactly the RIGHT thing, since Nyr is approving of it and giving her sanction to continue? If so, then you probably all owe Nyr a HUGE apology. On the other hand, Nyr is probably wrong. Therefore - Q is NOT doing the right thing, and probably knows it, but will continue until someone comes around and says "hey - you're done fucking everything up for everyone, GTFO." Qoriya goes back further than Nyr adminning the north, she got the other 3 karma as Q while other admins were at the helm. The problem is Lirathans, and once Qoriya is gone, it will hopefully be solved. But that is, again, not the fault of the player playing the role as it was DESIGNED to be played, but the role of the PEOPLE WHO DESIGNED IT. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 15:40:30 GMT -5
There are no more Jihaens, and there are no more Lirathans. Period. It's right in their docs. Maybe you're just soooo disconnected from Arm now Anaiah, that you no longer have any idea what you're talking about.
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Post by apriestswife on May 13, 2014 15:40:47 GMT -5
And that there are plenty of IC tools and methods beyond PKing that she could use. This. At the very least, she could utilize PC assassins to disappear the thought criminals and get rid of the bodies. That would at least include other players and create mini-plots. Anything's better than her hands-on approach. |
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Post by gloryhound on May 13, 2014 15:40:53 GMT -5
I don't agree with this "the staff made it possible, therefore it's okay for the player to do it" line of argument.
If the government legalized sex with children, would that mean people who went ahead and did it are off the hook? No, they most definitely would not be. There are rules, and then there are ethics. Sometimes rules can be unethical and following them unethical, and Qoriya is willfully playing an unethical role.
Apparently, for eight fucking years RL no less, too. Who plays one character for that long? Someone who gets a major kick out of something. Gee, I wonder what it is.
It sounds to me like you're trying to defend a friend, Anaiah. Is that true?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 15:43:32 GMT -5
There are no more Jihaens, and there are no more Lirathans. Period. It's right in their docs. Maybe you're just soooo disconnected from Arm now Anaiah, that you no longer have any idea what you're talking about. Incorrect. There are former Lirathans and former Jihaens, provided all of them including Qoriya weren't offed. And since Lirathans are all BORN PSIONICISTS, I doubt the power of theirs that they were born with went away. Yes, they are all one order now, but that by no means rules out psionics. Nor does it invalidate the RL Years of her playing the role of one. |
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