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Post by yourvisiongoesblack on Nov 6, 2018 16:36:48 GMT -5
Yeah I am beating a dead horse, but I would still like to sit down and have a face-to-face conversation with staff about the double standard and permanent punishments.
Give me half an hour, a couple of bottles of beer, and tell me what the difference is.
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Post by sessizlik on Nov 7, 2018 1:05:27 GMT -5
Yeah I am beating a dead horse, but I would still like to sit down and have a face-to-face conversation with staff about the double standard and permanent punishments. Give me half an hour, a couple of bottles of beer, and tell me what the difference is. If what you say is true, what they did was unfair for sure. The moment I got my second karma I started playing mages and I should say, I knew nothing. I got caught a lot of times when I decided I should start out as a renegade mage. Never had my karma docked for that. It's impossible to know [IC INFO], for example. Wait a minute, we can share IC info in this forum right? It's impossible to know statues in Allanak can scan your mind if you're not barriered. It is simply, nearing impossible, to find it out IC. But the first time I realized that and it was by another mage outright telling my character, my all renegade mages suddenly realized they should be barriering their minds in city. Realistic? Fuck no. But it's not fun to play for two IC days before a PC templar comes holding a dull black gem, grinning. I confess, they were fair to me. My first ever mage got gemmed willingly. Then he wandered around with armor and fury always on because yeah, they're invisible right? When the staff animated a templar and the templar realized I actually didn't know the law OOC, he did let me go with a warning. Normally it's grounds for torture and/or execution in extreme cases. Imm animations were always harsh with whips and fire and beatings but only to make it more fun whenever one of my renegades were caught. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 10:06:59 GMT -5
That had nothing to do with psionics, or statues in Allanak. All templars had detect magick spell which allowed them to see any magickal effect you were wearing if they looked at you. One of the most common ways rogue mages get caught.
Tuluk had their own methods of finding this out as well.
There are a lot of purely IG, non staff related, methods of finding rogue mages. What Yourvisiongoesblack is describing is another ball park entirely. Something extraordinary creepy and I'm certain something no staffer would actually defend, or truly want to touch. It's a lot easier (and wiser) to scratch it off to the mistakes of the past (10+ years) and since 90% of all current staff werent even around at that time, just put it behind them. Granted it's easier to do for staff since they experienced none of it due to not being around, and that it didnt really hurt them in any way, compared to yourvisiongoesblack who experienced it with every fibre on every level.
Personally. If I was the one who was running the espionage plot. I would not allow something some weird staffer did 5 years prior to the plot stop me, the plot, the storytelling, or the enjoyment of others players.
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Post by sessizlik on Nov 7, 2018 10:18:52 GMT -5
If the statues did nothing, I got pranked HARD by a whiran OOC, for years! Any folks who had templars could confirm? I know they let you view the room and of course someone with detect magick could view your shining body. That's not what I'm wondering about. Could they enable using psionics on people passing by? Or was I pranked? Either way, thank you qwerty.. If I was pranked, I'll find that character's player and order beer for him. |
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Post by kannot on Nov 7, 2018 11:33:50 GMT -5
Yeah I am beating a dead horse, but I would still like to sit down and have a face-to-face conversation with staff about the double standard and permanent punishments. Give me half an hour, a couple of bottles of beer, and tell me what the difference is. If what you say is true, what they did was unfair for sure. The moment I got my second karma I started playing mages and I should say, I knew nothing. I got caught a lot of times when I decided I should start out as a renegade mage. Never had my karma docked for that. It's impossible to know [IC INFO], for example. Wait a minute, we can share IC info in this forum right? It's impossible to know statues in Allanak can scan your mind if you're not barriered. It is simply, nearing impossible, to find it out IC. But the first time I realized that and it was by another mage outright telling my character, my all renegade mages suddenly realized they should be barriering their minds in city. Realistic? Fuck no. But it's not fun to play for two IC days before a PC templar comes holding a dull black gem, grinning. I confess, they were fair to me. My first ever mage got gemmed willingly. Then he wandered around with armor and fury always on because yeah, they're invisible right? When the staff animated a templar and the templar realized I actually didn't know the law OOC, he did let me go with a warning. Normally it's grounds for torture and/or execution in extreme cases. Imm animations were always harsh with whips and fire and beatings but only to make it more fun whenever one of my renegades were caught. Woahh shit, that's a pretty cool spoiler ma dude. How does this effect mages though, is scanning your mind equivalent to some detect magick thing? |
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Post by sessizlik on Nov 7, 2018 11:56:52 GMT -5
Woahh shit, that's a pretty cool spoiler ma dude. How does this effect mages though, is scanning your mind equivalent to some detect magick thing? Not so sure now. I never had a noble or a templar because I was mainly off-peak, usually a few hours into peak a few days a week. It was told to me by another renegade mage. I'll not be sure until someone who played a templar agrees/disagrees. A templar who I was a pet of directly said they could see through the statues including the broken one in Hathor's, of course retaining detection spells like detect invisible or detect magick. There's another evidence, when my Red Stormer drovian forgot she had infravision on and nearly moments after she sat at Gaj two templars arrived in a hurry. So they other saw my infravision eyes or changed shadow. I had a very careful mage who trained way, way far away from Allanak and lived under the radar. It's quite possible they had found my mage another way, like a whiran seeing me in the desert training and ratting me out. But on the other hand, I had mages lived 20+ days as renegades inside Allanak after I always barriered my mind walking past the statues. So I'd still like to believe otherwise. I'm answering anyway, let me ask another thing; did anyone try the effects of psionic suppression against a mindbender's vanish? Whenever I had a nilazi I didn't have a psionic friend, so that's one thing I always wondered. |
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Post by jkarr on Nov 7, 2018 15:02:18 GMT -5
There's another evidence, when my Red Stormer drovian forgot she had infravision on and nearly moments after she sat at Gaj two templars arrived in a hurry. So they other saw my infravision eyes or changed shadow. iirc ur eyes will literally glow red if u have infravision |
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Post by sirra on Nov 7, 2018 17:23:56 GMT -5
Yeah I am beating a dead horse, but I would still like to sit down and have a face-to-face conversation with staff about the double standard and permanent punishments. Give me half an hour, a couple of bottles of beer, and tell me what the difference is. If what you say is true, what they did was unfair for sure. The moment I got my second karma I started playing mages and I should say, I knew nothing. I got caught a lot of times when I decided I should start out as a renegade mage. Never had my karma docked for that. It's impossible to know [IC INFO], for example. Wait a minute, we can share IC info in this forum right? It's impossible to know statues in Allanak can scan your mind if you're not barriered. It is simply, nearing impossible, to find it out IC. But the first time I realized that and it was by another mage outright telling my character, my all renegade mages suddenly realized they should be barriering their minds in city. Realistic? Fuck no. But it's not fun to play for two IC days before a PC templar comes holding a dull black gem, grinning.Armageddon sets itself up as a place where they're trying to appeal to RP-oriented players, who stay completely IC, such as by not abusing knowledge by barriering their minds all the time, or by not worrying about their stats or combat skills. But then instead of welcoming those kinds of players, mentoring them, engaging them in fun plots and rewarding them - those PCs 'in power', just try to repeatedly fuck them in the ass until they learn better or leave. |
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Post by tedium on Nov 8, 2018 5:59:48 GMT -5
At the time of that whole espionage plot, the player mindbenders really did miss the spies. They missed them. How did the NPC/Muk Utep himself manage to miss it is ... something left to debate. In the end, the players worked hard and actually managed to become noble. Most likely staff just didnt have the heart to totally abolish the entire player effort, just because their immensely successful gameplay ended them face to face with Muk Utep himself. How did the virtual Lirathan network miss it? shrug. deus ex machina, basically. Not the greatest storytelling, meh. But the players involved in the plot had fun. There was pro movement and against it. People tried to saboutage it directly and indirectly. Lirathan players really did miss the spies.
I was involved in that plot and can't remember anyone having fun with it. The whole point of the plot was that nobody knew about it until the big reveal that, surprise, about a third to half of Tuluk's PC leadership were Allanak spies.
People afterward were bewildered ICly and OOCly, and I recall more than a few mentioning that they completely lost faith in staff. Part of the problem was that the marriage to make one spy a noble appeared completely contrived, because the player that became Chosen was a relatively new PC who found an item that apparently didn't exist until that event happened, and never really did anything once made a noble except marry a spy then idle. The other major spy was an officer in the military who had Tuluki inks, which means that they either flipped a native-born Tuluki (which SHOULD HAVE been a massive campaign to make any IC sense), or staff intervened in a big way to help establish these characters. Either way, there were massive double standards applied to player-driven plots and staff-originated plots, with the utmost diligence from players for even minor world changes being rejected, while a sloppy, contrived mess of a staff-plot that has tremendous ramifications on the game world was approved without any game plan for what happens after, at all.
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Post by lechuck on Nov 8, 2018 10:18:42 GMT -5
Wasn't that the plot where Nyr made a mindbender and then deliberately put nothing in the background about being a mindbender in order to dodge Lirathan checks? It's funny because it's probably the most egregious example of twinky abuse I've ever heard, considering it was an 8-karma character, and it came from the game's lead admin. You can excuse some shit from 0-karma folk, but when someone takes the absolute most privileged and exclusive class and does something that dodgy with it, that's a truly transcended level of twinking.
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Post by sessizlik on Nov 8, 2018 10:53:38 GMT -5
Wasn't that the plot where Nyr made a mindbender and then deliberately put nothing in the background about being a mindbender in order to dodge Lirathan checks? It's funny because it's probably the most egregious example of twinky abuse I've ever heard, considering it was an 8-karma character, and it came from the game's lead admin. You can excuse some shit from 0-karma folk, but when someone takes the absolute most privileged and exclusive class and does something that dodgy with it, that's a truly transcended level of twinking. Err.. if they weren't "awakened", I'd not give info about magickers in my first bio entry, too.. I had one die to lost internet+unknown reason(possibly beetle) after 5+ days played, never casting a spell and never even knowing she was a whiran. Didn't he/she make an entry when the character realized he was a psionic? |
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Post by sessizlik on Nov 8, 2018 10:55:00 GMT -5
Wasn't that the plot where Nyr made a mindbender and then deliberately put nothing in the background about being a mindbender in order to dodge Lirathan checks? It's funny because it's probably the most egregious example of twinky abuse I've ever heard, considering it was an 8-karma character, and it came from the game's lead admin. You can excuse some shit from 0-karma folk, but when someone takes the absolute most privileged and exclusive class and does something that dodgy with it, that's a truly transcended level of twinking. I would seriously consider selling out all other spies and keeping on my life in Tuluk if my character was allowed to live there for years and get used to the environment. |
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Post by yourvisiongoesblack on Nov 10, 2018 8:39:07 GMT -5
Yeah I am beating a dead horse, but I would still like to sit down and have a face-to-face conversation with staff about the double standard and permanent punishments. Give me half an hour, a couple of bottles of beer, and tell me what the difference is. If what you say is true, what they did was unfair for sure. The moment I got my second karma I started playing mages and I should say, I knew nothing. I got caught a lot of times when I decided I should start out as a renegade mage. Never had my karma docked for that. It's impossible to know [IC INFO], for example. Wait a minute, we can share IC info in this forum right? It's impossible to know statues in Allanak can scan your mind if you're not barriered. It is simply, nearing impossible, to find it out IC. But the first time I realized that and it was by another mage outright telling my character, my all renegade mages suddenly realized they should be barriering their minds in city. Realistic? Fuck no. But it's not fun to play for two IC days before a PC templar comes holding a dull black gem, grinning. I confess, they were fair to me. My first ever mage got gemmed willingly. Then he wandered around with armor and fury always on because yeah, they're invisible right? When the staff animated a templar and the templar realized I actually didn't know the law OOC, he did let me go with a warning. Normally it's grounds for torture and/or execution in extreme cases. Imm animations were always harsh with whips and fire and beatings but only to make it more fun whenever one of my renegades were caught. Okay, cool, it sounds like that imm's reaction was way better than animating HG NPCs and literally trying to insta-kill. Another PC was killing, which is the only way I had time to gate out. and THEN they punished me OOCly, harshly, literally taking half of my maxed karma. I'm glad you shared the anecdote and realize what I'm talking about when I mention a difference between OOCly not knowing what NPCs are capable of and OOCly exploiting the game. I was guilty of the former, not the latter, and it will always seem fucked to me. |
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Post by goat on Mar 18, 2019 9:15:12 GMT -5
Hey all.
I've been playing on and off since the mid 2000's. Was introduced to the game by friends who were super into it. I'm generally pretty twinky, but have never gotten my skills particularly high.
I like exploring the game world. That and getting a super twinky character are the most interesting parts of the game for me. I generally don't like the main forums, since it never feels like I'm getting a straight or honest answer out of people when I ask questions there.
I would love to continue skilling up and sharing information since I have a lot of free time on my hands currently. If anyone else would be interested in this, please feel free to PM me.
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Post by dvorak on Dec 29, 2019 19:58:21 GMT -5
Hi I'm dvorak. I'm here because this is a cooler game board than the GDB. I am here to learn game secrets and join the club of people who try to burn the game to the ground via the medium of rolling a series of dwarf enforcers who bonk people on the head once they get out of chargen. I actually think this happens here and I'm also fucking stupid. Don't worry, though, I won't brag about how much money I help my bourgeois employer make. I know my name is keyboard related but I'm not that retarded.
Good to meet you all.
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