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Post by gloryhound on Apr 25, 2014 17:37:06 GMT -5
At the same time, if you "are" doing the whole "come into my apt" thing. Do it properly? Dont be like. spam close/lock/put key away/close pack the moment your victim enters. Yep. I had one character who was suspicious of entering an apartment. I emoted standing "in the doorway" after going in. He still slammed the door shut and locked it after power-emoting my character as entering the room further. Little did he know what he had actually locked himself in with, but he sure found out. |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 26, 2014 0:17:01 GMT -5
sounds more like you need to clarify more about 'stupid fucking deaths' before you go ranting about my use of hyberbole to make a point about the bitchiness of players that can't handle undisclosed instablicks. You claimed no one cared in response to a post where I said I did. Then the next three people to post also said it mattered to them. youve presented nothing to back your claim that every single person save us three doesn't give a damn. that's hyperbole. you doubled down on your idiot counter by telling everyone they were exceptions to a rule you never proved. Also why are you still on about people being bitchy about being killed quickly? Since the first time you brought it up I specified what I meant and that it wasn't that. Im now of the opinion you're either trolling badly because you have a knee-jerk reaction to anything negative about PKing or you're too fucking stupid to read plain english. Judging by your other comment Im leaning towards the former because youre coming off all kinds of emo. again, this whole thing wouldn't even be a discussion if players didn't constantly bitch about not getting some flashy warning 'emote' or 'say' before the kill - and players have been bitching about this for years. Again I was NOT encouraging flash. or any communication, really. Just don't be a twink. Don't do the whole "okay, so follow me into this apartment so i can spam commands and lock you in here and murder you with my NPC bodyguards who will jump in as soon as your character defends itself and you'll probably be at 70% by the time you're able to type a command" thing. Seriously. I think youre under-estimating people here. You paly Arm for a long time without being an immpet. And how a character you make dies becomes a bit more important. After enough stupid fucking deaths youll really appreciate it when you bring it on yourself. or if it's just not stupid. or not done with cheating or cheese. not sure if asking, assuming, or some weird mix inbetween, but.. fuck off before assuming anyone here is a pet of anyone, anytime. if u weren't targeting me with that msg, then one would have to question wtf that shit came from, but it clearly reads to me u assuming a lot more than ur in a position to guess. Your response was so far off-base I have to guess you're just quoting things and writing something semi-contradictory under them. Thats not arguing. That's being bitchy and incoherent because losing an argument upset you. if you had a point in that whining self-righteous mess, please translate it from emo for me. Because I'm not understanding how the jumbled words you shat out relate to what you quoted. go ahead and try again.  Im sorry, are we on the gdb? Is putting a challenge with an emoticon what passes for clever underhanded insults here? Shit. how did this become the gdb? Oh, it's not the gdb? Thank goodness. I can call you an emotional wreck with too much ADD to follow a sentence and not have to worry about the imm you're sucking off banning me. Whew. My heart was racing there a minute when I thought this was the GDB. |
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Post by lulz on Apr 26, 2014 0:39:20 GMT -5
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on Apr 26, 2014 2:13:35 GMT -5
I wish there was a legit auto-cross bow, like a gattling gun.. just load ten bolts over 3 minutes, then ready and fire at will.
A flurry of thin bone bolts flies in from the west, hitting you in the neck for terrifying damage!
A man can dream...
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Post by jkarr on Apr 26, 2014 3:04:56 GMT -5
You claimed no one cared in response to a post where I said I did. Then the next three people to post also said it mattered to them. ur addition sucks balls. try again, boy wonder. (oh, there goes that challenge + emoticon combo you love!) Your response was so far off-base I have to guess you're just quoting things and writing something semi-contradictory under them. Thats not arguing. That's being bitchy and incoherent because losing an argument upset you. if you had a point in that whining self-righteous mess, please translate it from emo for me. Because I'm not understanding how the jumbled words you shat out relate to what you quoted. hmm, so convenient to play the 'I define what a solid point is' card when u haven't demonstrated anything resembling one to support your projected hubris. let's see what else is left. go ahead and try again. Im sorry, are we on the gdb? Is putting a challenge with an emoticon what passes for clever underhanded insults here? Shit. how did this become the gdb? Oh, it's not the gdb? Thank goodness. I can call you an emotional wreck with too much ADD to follow a sentence and not have to worry about the imm you're sucking off banning me. Whew. My heart was racing there a minute when I thought this was the GDB. LOL. don't even know where to start from here. manufacture an entire two-sided conversation with urself as a rebuttal? sounds like u got more issues than any of us need to hear about. |
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Post by grumble on Apr 26, 2014 10:05:32 GMT -5
bringit bitches  so fucken edgy |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 26, 2014 16:30:34 GMT -5
I argue badly so I've switched to trolling badly! And obviously, too. So I stopped reading your sad attempt at trolling one sentence in. hope you had fun wasting your time trying to distract people from how stupid and emotional your posts got. Do try to refrain from ragequitting and editing them blank. Curious - how do you guys deal with the OOC guilt of being an assassin? Your 'role' is to PK. Warriors and rangers are PvE, pickpockets and burglars are PvP, assassins are outright PK what with the backstab and poison. You're expected to end the lives of 30 days, high profile, prominent characters and special roles. And do it with minimum emotes. Just fecking backstab and run or whatever. I like playing the sneaky types who put mantis heads in people's apartments. Or something like knocking them out, dragging them into a room and putting lotion on their skin. But killing is going to be OOC infuriating. Like I was saying, people just don't wanna be twinked. Getting upset at assassins for killing people is almost as stupid as when they get mad at pickpockets for picking pockets. So dont pay those people any mind. if they're going to be pussies about getting killed they need to stop playing permadeath muds. Don't think of assassins as separate from warriors, rangers, or any other killers. that seems to be whats got you mixed up. Everyones guild can kill in the game. Assassins have a few advantages and disadvantages, yeah. They definitely kill better than merchants. but that doesn't make them different. So instead of thinking how you should play an assassin you should think how not to misplay PKing characters. Dont take advantage of game bugs, lag, or someone going linkdead. Don't use spammnig commands for an advantage (that thing we were talking about where you have someone following you and you s;s;unlock door;open door;s;close door;lock door;ask bodyguard draw deathstick;kill moofassa somebody). Don't do stupid shit becuase of how a room is miscoded. Or things you can only do in a clan room against a non-clan member that are obviously horribly inappropriate OOC (that example with the guy getting killed by six thrown daggers in the Mantis). Clan or not people would be pissed at daggers whirling past their faces while theyre having a drink. Emoting and talking are niceties. Dont let the gdb trick you into thinking they are necessary. Most of the people whining for that will use the extra time you give them "RPing correctly" to spam-escape or report you over the Way. Do that if you wanna do it. don't think you're obligated. and stop thinking you should feel guilty, man. 4 out of 4 actual people here are in favor of seeing their characters killed by a PC who isn't cheating. |
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on Apr 26, 2014 16:56:09 GMT -5
The one time I was in serious danger of being mega-ganked I was glad for the emoting. I cowered appropriately and hemoted peeing my pants, and then managed to convince the would be assailants I was not the droid they were looking for.
I swore up and down to not report them out of fear (and I was also telling the truth, fuck the people they were actually looking for, I didn't care if they died) and I never told on them ever. To anyone.
I wonder if they ever finished their murder mini-quest?
I hope so.
But also, yes. I've had experiences of the reverse, where me and a buddy tried to gank a dude, like twice actually, and we provided an opening emote, it was ignored and the buddy spam-fleed even though considering where we were and the amount of damage inflicted at one of these occasions, they had zero business being able to go fucking anyplace.
But, it is hit and miss. If you think you're dealing with a twink, play it smart. Just kill them. They weren't going to play ball anyway.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 26, 2014 17:03:34 GMT -5
Yeah, totally agree on the emote/communication thing. Some people will play right. some wont. It's your call if you are going to do either. Just dont believe the GDB when they set you up for failure is all I'm saying.
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Post by jkarr on Apr 26, 2014 17:13:02 GMT -5
when i have no clue how to respond i like to inaccurately sum up a situation in my own words as an ineffective rebuttal rinse wash repeat - whatever helps u get past it. I've been command-spam-apartment-killed a few times, once by a player who knew better. I was lagged out because they had spammed back to their apartment, opened, entered, closed, and locked the door. By the time the lag had worn off I was mortally wounded and using some rather colorful language. So, uh, yeah, you're right in saying that's lame. that's pretty bad. doubt if a player complaint would've even worked in that scenario beyond, 'watch to see if this guy makes a pattern of this'. did u mention it later or just forget about it? Your 'role' is to PK. Warriors and rangers are PvE, pickpockets and burglars are PvP, assassins are outright PK what with the backstab and poison. You're expected to end the lives of 30 days, high profile, prominent characters and special roles. And do it with minimum emotes. Just fecking backstab and run or whatever. just a note u can do a lot of that shit with emotes (using semote or hemote), but yeah avoiding straight emotes as an ooc strategy has become a necessary norm to guarantee a realistic chance at finishing the job when relying on stealth. also some of those classes u mentioned have overlap in skills that can translate to pve, pvp, or outright pk, especially the sneaky guilds. its all in what u have ur char do with them. its only ur 'role' if you've outfitted ur char with that goal in mind, and yeh assassins can be very effective in accomplishing that in a number of ways. |
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Post by jkarr on Apr 26, 2014 17:17:00 GMT -5
The one time I was in serious danger of being mega-ganked I was glad for the emoting. I cowered appropriately and hemoted peeing my pants, and then managed to convince the would be assailants I was not the droid they were looking for. I swore up and down to not report them out of fear (and I was also telling the truth, fuck the people they were actually looking for, I didn't care if they died) and I never told on them ever. To anyone. I wonder if they ever finished their murder mini-quest? I hope so. But also, yes. I've had experiences of the reverse, where me and a buddy tried to gank a dude, like twice actually, and we provided an opening emote, it was ignored and the buddy spam-fleed even though considering where we were and the amount of damage inflicted at one of these occasions, they had zero business being able to go fucking anyplace. But, it is hit and miss. If you think you're dealing with a twink, play it smart. Just kill them. They weren't going to play ball anyway. yeah sometimes all u have to do is toss a bone their way to let them know they can at least trust u to play out the scene, and that just gives u more time to actually dish out ur chars response, something that can (has, as u just shared) sometimes affect the outcome. i've unintentionally lived months longer and had complete unexpected turnarounds my pc's life just for managing to throw out that emote or say in time. |
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on Apr 26, 2014 17:48:27 GMT -5
I think they saw me hemote peeing my pants and wanted to proceed from there. I know I would.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 26, 2014 19:06:48 GMT -5
Yeah. It's nice when that whole "you should RP killings" thing goes both ways. People shouldn't get so attached to their characters they look for an excuse to bawl over the consequences of a harsh world
This is reminding me of an issue I've had with the docs for a while. they constantly claim if you're good a X you'll always have work. Case in point:So I pose the question if you're a good assassin (Tuluk aside) how do people know you're good?
Because it's kind of a chicken and egg scenario. If you have a rep people know what you've done. But they know what you've done because you 1) fucked up or 2) ran your mouth. In which case your rep should be shit.
"Oh it's not talking about independents." Okay. Let's pretend that bit about hiring people with min risk somehow meant you're added to the clan and trained there. Then why does reputation matter? Reputation is what people who don't know you think about you. Your clan knows your track record; that's not a reputation it's history.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 19:13:02 GMT -5
Crim orgs/masterminds know the assassins, but dont blab about. Crim orgs/masterminds get contracts from civilians and approach the assassins.
Civilians dont know who the assassins are, they just see some omnipresent, powerful, secretive organization that knows whom to approach to get the job done.
I suppose, in Tuluk, that organization is the Templarate. How that works out, we'll see.
You dont have to be "known" by the public that you're a good assassin. You just have to be a good assassin and the jobs WILL come.
Note: Being good, does not mean having high offense and sneak skills.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 26, 2014 19:25:37 GMT -5
So you basically need a clan go-between. the docs really should make some mention of that. side note: I always thought Arm would be better with fixers.
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