Lizzie
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Post by Lizzie on Mar 23, 2014 23:57:04 GMT -5
My two cents, here:
Based on my experience with multiple RPIs, it is impossible for them not to have shitty staff. Black Sands has the most reasonable staff you'll find, and they still managed to accidentally let a guy slip in who would pursue rape RP without OOC consent and freaking blow up on people over OOC channels if something didn't go his way. (He isn't there anymore, for those wondering. And thank god. I think everyone they have right now is pretty cool.)
Trying to "reform" and RPI is dumb as fuck. You could argue that maybe some people don't show their true colors till they wind up in a position of power, sure, or you could look at the evidence wrought from every RPI we've seen thus far and realize that either the vast majority of people who want to become staff are assholes, or the act of becoming RPI staff somehow turns you into one.
It is pointless to try to reform or change an RPI.
So, please, enough about this boycotting and effecting change bullshit. The genre is dying for a reason. Play what you enjoy, knowing full well that you're willingly putting yourself at the mercy of control-happy jackasses 9 times out of 10, or don't play at all.
Given that the OP was basically saying to practice what you preach: If people are complaining vehemently and yet still playing, I'd say they're just blowing off steam. If you are somehow incapable of stopping yourself from playing Arm, I'd say you have far more serious problems than some guy on the internet who's less than pleasant.
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Post by shade0of0ishahan on Mar 24, 2014 2:46:41 GMT -5
So, please, enough about this boycotting and effecting change bullshit. The genre is dying for a reason. Play what you enjoy, knowing full well that you're willingly putting yourself at the mercy of control-happy jackasses 9 times out of 10, or don't play at all. Change always has someone who want's to just hope their home isn't ravaged by the corrupt sheriff, but change must always be worked for. The moment you just accept things, you allow things to get one notch worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 6:55:55 GMT -5
Well here's my two sids: Just avoid playing in any of Nyr's clans. That's what I do. Works like a charm too. I'm having fun playing, and I don't have to deal with the fallout that is Nyr. On the other hand, Nyr's behavior at least on the GDB has been somewhat subdued. I think getting married had a positive effect on him. I still won't be playing in his clans and I still have a "wait and see" attitude about it, but I don't think he's breaking Arm, and I don't think he's important enough in my life, or in the life of the game, to be a threat to the enjoyment of my hobby.
When he does something that pisses me off, I get pissed, and then I get over it. I don't forget it, but I do get over it. The boy has issues, clearly. But like I said he's been mellowing at least a little on the GDB over the past couple of months. Maybe he's growing up.
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Post by RogueCumSlinger on Mar 24, 2014 8:40:20 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I agree with Lizzie.
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jjhardy
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Post by jjhardy on Mar 24, 2014 14:47:37 GMT -5
My two cents, here: Based on my experience with multiple RPIs, it is impossible for them not to have shitty staff. Black Sands has the most reasonable staff you'll find, and they still managed to accidentally let a guy slip in who would pursue rape RP without OOC consent and freaking blow up on people over OOC channels if something didn't go his way. (He isn't there anymore, for those wondering. And thank god. I think everyone they have right now is pretty cool.) Trying to "reform" and RPI is dumb as fuck. You could argue that maybe some people don't show their true colors till they wind up in a position of power, sure, or you could look at the evidence wrought from every RPI we've seen thus far and realize that either the vast majority of people who want to become staff are assholes, or the act of becoming RPI staff somehow turns you into one. It is pointless to try to reform or change an RPI.So, please, enough about this boycotting and effecting change bullshit. The genre is dying for a reason. Play what you enjoy, knowing full well that you're willingly putting yourself at the mercy of control-happy jackasses 9 times out of 10, or don't play at all. Given that the OP was basically saying to practice what you preach: If people are complaining vehemently and yet still playing, I'd say they're just blowing off steam. If you are somehow incapable of stopping yourself from playing Arm, I'd say you have far more serious problems than some guy on the internet who's less than pleasant. A perfect example of why nothing will ever get done. |
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Post by topkekm8s on Mar 24, 2014 20:28:51 GMT -5
jcarter we have to play mafia here
it would be delightful
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 20:59:07 GMT -5
jcarter we have to play mafia here it would be delightful Like that forum game from a while back in the OOC forum? I want in.  |
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Post by topkekm8s on Mar 24, 2014 21:47:55 GMT -5
yesm, its a forum thing. however unlike the plebeian nabs on the gdb i'd run a good game cuz im a world class grade a mafia player from the tumblrsphere website, mafiascum.net. anyhoo, jcarter's got talent ya see, and i wanna see him in action : - D
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Post by jcarter on Mar 25, 2014 9:02:14 GMT -5
if people want a mafia subforum I will make a mafia subforum but it damn well better be used  |
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Post by shade0of0ishahan on Mar 25, 2014 9:36:19 GMT -5
I play mafia on mafiascum.net, I'd love a round here.
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Post by RogueCumSlinger on Mar 25, 2014 16:16:29 GMT -5
I've always used epicmafia.com
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jjhardy
Displaced Tuluki
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Post by jjhardy on Mar 25, 2014 16:19:35 GMT -5
Could we stay on topic please?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 16:26:43 GMT -5
Could we stay on topic please? That certainly would be a radical notion. There. Now we're back on topic  |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 1, 2014 20:50:33 GMT -5
Could we stay on topic please? I feel for you on this one.
Banned and rage-quit players should boycott a game they're banned from or have rage-quit from? What's the payoff for either side? Seems like a win-win for Armageddon because it means the banned players would actually not play, and the ones who rage-quit would not rage on their forum or in their game. The issue is there's a third party here. the part of the playerbase who haven't been cheesed off enough to quit yet. Not everyone who left Arm is going to be forgotten. Some people will be missed. Shit, the people who left Tuluk over Nyr's Shartistry announcement left a vacuum in their wake that still hasn't been filled. losing good, popular, or key players can be very damaging.
No one is trying to 'hurt' Armageddon or Nyr. Absolutely no one has said this, and the closest it's come to it is the OP talking about having Nyr removed from staff which no one else has discussed. Agreed. booting a terrible staffer will extend the lifespan of the game. Once you get over the assumptions that people here are permabanned rage-quitters frothing with anger and counting the ways to get their sweet sweet revenge on Nyr the situation becomes a whole lot clearer. Quoted for truth. Though I did ragequit. twice. Actually... I'd call the first time an exasperationquit.
So what? Imms read these forums. Some of them participate in the discussion. Some take points, some dont. Their identity shouldnt invalidate their points. If they're right, they're right. If they're wrong, well then fuck ... they're wrong. Agreed. Ive actually mostly enjoyed both sides of this argument on an intellectual level. even though I'm clearly in the camp of one side.
Yeah, I ragequit. For a month. In 2009. I quit this last time not out of rage but because I frankly didn't enjoy the game anymore. And I'm going to use this as an example here: If you like coke (the drink), and then they change the formula and you don't like it anymore (new coke) so you decide to switch to pepsi instead, that is not to replace coke, that is to satisfy your want of a cola soft drink with something you don't dislike. It's not a substitute for coke, it is a preference of pepsi to NEW coke, it's deciding fuck coke and going for pepsi. If all that's not too convoluted to follow anyhow. Yeah, and lets be honest. Even if you went back to Arm right after making this post it wouldn't mean shit. You wouldnt be admitting you were wrong to leave. it would mean you still had hope. insane, unwarranted hope. It would mean the fields of your mind were insufficiently salted and you need to dump something stronger than bloodburn in the well.
A bunch of points wailed out in an emo fashion.But like I said - you've already played judge and jury, exactly like you accuse the staff of Arm of being. But hey if it makes your weenie feel nice and big by thinking I'm Saikun, go ahead and think that. You'll be wrong, but that's nothing new around here. Yeah. Great. You blew your banned-troll-wad early with this "I can't tell the pigs from the humans" speech. Id tell you to calm the fuck down but it seems like you collected yourself by page 4. For the future try to keep in mind banning people when they're revealed is GDB shit. And this is not the GDB. Im pretty sure if Nyr showed up he'd be the least likely person to be banned. and you know how popular he is. He'd have to begin intentionally spamming or something.
For people who have such serious issues against a game and its staff, SOME Of you also seem pretty hypocritical, by playing the game you seem to have such serious issues against. Remember this thread is about "how to get rid of Nyr." And the answer from Anaiah was to boycott Armageddon. Hypocrisy is either extolling a virtue you lack or preaching a course of behavior you are unwilling to follow. Grudge-playing Arm is neither of those. though I have long ago accepted that spouting about hypocrisy is a white flag in the war of ideas the waver is in denial about.
Exactly what jcarter said. Until and unless the numbers of players start plummeting on Armageddon, this board is really just a place for people to air their grievances and share info. If we could all make up our minds to move to a different mud (my mud of choice and that of several others is Black Sands), INSTEAD OF LOGGING INTO ARMAGEDDON, the player numbers will plummet, and maybe the clamor of angry voices will actually be heard. Because over the past four years, the 30ish new players 'gained' by voting drives, etc, has been offset by about that number actually dropping logging in instead of just being disgruntled and complaining about it, and thus, their numbers are not decreasing. And that is something they can point to as anecdotal evidence that they are 'on the right track' so to speak. It's just a little sacrifice and self discipline on the part of each of us here. We can really make a difference, but not so long as we continue to play, using our time, effort and numbers to back an agenda headed by someone whose regime many of us here are seeking to topple. Anyone else with me in thinking this? I have mixed feelings about calling for a boycott of Arm for two reasons. first the cause of the player drop is unclear. The staff is in denial. They'd just try to come up with a reason that isnt their behavior to pin people being willing to side with us over. Second because if it worked it would probably kill Arm. The pace on Arm is so fucking slow that if there was a permanent state of low population they'd collapse everything into Nak. Then they'd let Nyr run it. Then Nak would be unplayable too. Then there wouldn't be anyone playing. except Nyr. with himself. Not that I'd oppose a boycott. But in fairness I think the goals stated here were "to fix arm" and killing it would not. Something targetted at nyr might be worth doing. i'd recommend boycotting whichever half of the game Nyr is running. Have players immediately retire and cite him as the reason if he's moved to a clan/area.
Well here's my two sids: Just avoid playing in any of Nyr's clans. I believe you mean Nyr's half of the Known World. his producer status allows him to shit on quite a lot of clans. On the other hand, Nyr's behavior at least on the GDB has been somewhat subdued. Sociopaths attempt to acquire enough power that they don't have to worry about rules. the smarter ones do that by not obviously breaking the rules on the way up. Nyr's started getting his dirty laundry aired in public since he can't control this forum. he'll keep his behavior on the down-low. for now. This is not a sign of growth. I think getting married had a positive effect on him. HE GOT MARRIED?! Did Rosie Palm say "yes" or was it one of her five sisters? I don't think he's breaking Arm, and I don't think he's important enough in my life, or in the life of the game, to be a threat to the enjoyment of my hobby. When he does something that pisses me off, I get pissed, and then I get over it. I don't forget it, but I do get over it. Just because the pitbull hasn't latched onto you doesn't mean he won't. Save the Maturity Snake Oil routine. Considering you had a panic attack over jcarter suggesting you were an imm i don't hold high hopes for your brushing off having someone actively ruining your "hobby". No matter how interesting the rest of your life is. people naturally hate being bullied. You can ignore the volume of people with complaints. ignore the depth of contempt he's earned. Ignore the fact Tuluk has withered and died since he started Nyrring it like a starving wolf thrown a steak. Ignore those silly, factual facts. Lets talk maturity. being mature doesn't mean you let people walk all over you because you think youre above responding. That's being a doormat. And I can understand where you're coming from even though i never held your point of view because I didn't worry much about Nyr either. not right way. Not until he started dicking with me. But I knew he was a petty asshole with low self-esteem very early on. I read the GDV before I came back and his problems were hard to miss. Anyhow i eventually had a good, long Nyrring. Lasted a few months. the kind that's hard to prove. And assuming you're not a staffer you may someday find yourself on the receiving end of a nyrring. i doubt you'll let it go. Here's to hoping after your inevitable Nyrring that admitting youre wrong will be unimportant enough in the great scheme of your life you'll be able to do it. |
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