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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 21:07:51 GMT -5
i cry evry tim
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Post by lyse on Jul 17, 2015 6:03:28 GMT -5
I work with a lot of different people and in my line of work Nyr is what's called a "bullshitter". This by the way is a very popular form of management in corporate circles. So I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a lot of praise from his peers.
After a few exchanges with him, it was pretty clear that he wasn't even responding to my points. He zeroes in on the weakest point in your argument and responds excessively on that with a veiled insult for good measure. This is called framing, once you're in his frame you're done. Most people fall right into his frame. I've only seen one person not fall into his frame consistently on the gdb.
It wouldn't surprise me if he responds to things with alt accounts or even to himself at times.
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Post by tedium on Jul 17, 2015 11:13:49 GMT -5
After a few exchanges with him, it was pretty clear that he wasn't even responding to my points. He zeroes in on the weakest point in your argument and responds excessively on that with a veiled insult for good measure. This is my experience with him. Without going into too much detail, I had conflicting IC interactions with an NPC and sent in a Q asking which was the legitimate one, with a log to each. Nyr's response was immediate and so hostile. He called me a manipulative liar, accused me of ignoring prior staff interactions, then posted the imm version of the same log I posted to him. Nothing between the logs had changed except timestamps and a lack of prompt. I pointed out that "We're not going to stop you from doing X" and "You weren't allowed to do X" do not mean the same thing, but received only threats of storage and more insults. It's as if Nyr lives in another reality where objective facts are different, but can only communicate with people from our dimension. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 12:17:08 GMT -5
It's as if Nyr lives in another reality where objective facts are different, but can only communicate with people from our dimension. Bizarro world? |
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Post by jesantu on Jul 17, 2015 13:25:48 GMT -5
For every such case, there's three instances of "I'm banning you and your wife's account because we think you're using the shadow board and we're too unpaid and volunteery to do any real fact-checking." Yeah I was there when that was all dropped. Pretty shitty imo, it's certainly contributed to my lack of enthusiasm towards the game. It's a game plagued with problems. If staff were to come out today, basically stating they wish to wipe the slate clean with all players, and offer a broad apology to those who've distanced themselves from the game, do you think things would improve? I can't see it happening, but it's a nice thought. While I personally don't feel wronged, it's obvious many others do, and I feel it's something staff needs to address which they appear to consistently fail to do. I realized a while ago that the majority of staff expressly do not want a return to glory, an improvement on RP, or any ounce of creativity in the players. They do no want the red rangers or the LODs or anyone with presence or charisma. When you suffer from overwhelming inferiority complex, you feel threatened by these types of people. What they want are the most bland, dull personas you can think of. The standard militia or wyvern or merchant guard who hammers away on their skills just up until they can avoid being called a twink, but does absolutely nothing with their character beyond that.
And an apology would change nothing. The kims of north korea might as well apologize and say they plan to change too. The solution is an end to complacency. Stop supporting nyr and saying he's simply misunderstood. The guy's a right prick and the sheer numbers here are a testament to that fact. That isn't to say I wouldn't be impressed with a public apology. I still maintain that opening a dialogue with those of us here would be an excellent start. But I realize now that it would change nothing. Unless you can be boring and with zero real ambition, you are not wanted and you will have to subvert the (majority of) staff at every turn. Good luck with that
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Post by silentlamb on Jul 17, 2015 13:32:55 GMT -5
Just to reply to you there Jesantu, I don't wish to come across as supportive of Nyr. Nor do I wish to say I blatantly hate him, I disapprove with near all of what I've heard of him, I was only stating above one of my experiences with him above which I feel shows a better side of him. Regardless, I haven't played in a while, and I doubt I'll be playing within a month's time anyway, so none of this is an issue I have to deal with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 13:34:07 GMT -5
Yeah I was there when that was all dropped. Pretty shitty imo, it's certainly contributed to my lack of enthusiasm towards the game. It's a game plagued with problems. If staff were to come out today, basically stating they wish to wipe the slate clean with all players, and offer a broad apology to those who've distanced themselves from the game, do you think things would improve? I can't see it happening, but it's a nice thought. While I personally don't feel wronged, it's obvious many others do, and I feel it's something staff needs to address which they appear to consistently fail to do. I realized a while ago that the majority of staff expressly do not want a return to glory, an improvement on RP, or any ounce of creativity in the players. They do no want the red rangers or the LODs or anyone with presence or charisma. When you suffer from overwhelming inferiority complex, you feel threatened by these types of people. What they want are the most bland, dull personas you can think of. The standard militia or wyvern or merchant guard who hammers away on their skills just up until they can avoid being called a twink, but does absolutely nothing with their character beyond that.
And an apology would change nothing. The kims of north korea might as well apologize and say they plan to change too. The solution is an end to complacency. Stop supporting nyr and saying he's simply misunderstood. The guy's a right prick and the sheer numbers here are a testament to that fact. That isn't to say I wouldn't be impressed with a public apology. I still maintain that opening a dialogue with those of us here would be an excellent start. But I realize now that it would change nothing. Unless you can be boring and with zero real ambition, you are not wanted and you will have to subvert the (majority of) staff at every turn. Good luck with that
Very well said. I do think that the feeling of being "threatened" or otherwise subverted has a distinct impact on reactions/responses of staff like Nyr. "You are capable of shaping the game without our input our support, so we will micromanage the fuck out of you and make you send in reports detailing every nuance of your plans because, fuck you you uppity little shit, we're in charge, not you."' yeah, that kinda shit is Real, unfortunately. Sorry if you still feel the compulsion to play Arm and have to deal with it. People defending Nyr are just kids looking to climb into the karma van or maybe suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 16:22:41 GMT -5
I'm helping to shape the game - it's not a significant shape but it's something, that requires no support at all. And since I'm not a "leader" or sponsored role I don't have to submit regular reports. I've sent just a couple reports total with this character. Have had no interaction with Nyr at all in a few months and feeling the lightness of weight with the playing as a result. You don't have to deal with Nyr if you don't want to but you do have to make choices. Some of those choices end up with dealing with Nyr. Make the right choice and you can play your character enjoy the roleplay and not deal with him at all.
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Post by sirra on Jul 17, 2015 16:27:12 GMT -5
Actually, I don't think Nyr has an inferiority complex. Not if we're being serious about this. If anything, he has a superiority complex. He thinks he's doing a good job, and making the game better for the majority of the players. It's why he is so aggressive and abrasive. No one could have kept up Nyr's track record, if they were just in it for personal gratification, or to get off on being in charge. Trust me. Those people burn out fast. (See Nessalin, who lingered on as long as he did only because Nyr was doing the work of three producers).
Not every decision Nyr makes is the wrong one. He makes enough good decisions (like closing Tuluk), to even keep things going as long as they have. It's that when he makes bad decisions, he will defend them with the ferocity of a honey badger, and he will destroy you if he thinks you're harming his vision.
He's also not a robot. He has peaks and troughs like everyone else. He has benevolent days and extreme asshole days. When he wants to carve into you though, he does it in an extremely acidic fashion, as Lyse mentioned in regards to 'framing' an issue and eviscerating you on it. That's why he doesn't have many fans.
What I do know is that he isn't a complete crank/loon and isn't doing this out of boredom/personal gratification. It's just he is completely implacable and hostile to the mildest criticism, and will see the worst in everyone. If he's in a good mood, he's a decent guy. If he's in a bad mood, he can be incredibly callous, dismissive and cruel.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Jul 17, 2015 16:46:49 GMT -5
I dunno....
Can we really consider the closure of Tuluk a good thing on Nyr's part, keeping in mind that it was by his hand that Tuluk was turned into literally the worst place ever?
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Post by jkarr on Jul 17, 2015 16:58:27 GMT -5
more like a mom in denial very reluctantly letting staff abort her stillborn fetus
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jul 17, 2015 17:55:13 GMT -5
After a few exchanges with him, it was pretty clear that he wasn't even responding to my points. He zeroes in on the weakest point in your argument and responds excessively on that with a veiled insult for good measure. This is called framing, once you're in his frame you're done. Most people fall right into his frame. I've only seen one person not fall into his frame consistently on the gdb. He also willfully misinterprets things to reframe the discussion. |
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Post by lulz on Jul 17, 2015 18:12:55 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me if he responds to things with alt accounts or even to himself at times. I know he used to do it with at least one alt before I called him out on his bullshit and told everyone he was "lookitsgodzilla". I'm fairly certain he doesn't post under that alt anymore. |
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Post by lulz on Jul 17, 2015 18:13:24 GMT -5
After a few exchanges with him, it was pretty clear that he wasn't even responding to my points. He zeroes in on the weakest point in your argument and responds excessively on that with a veiled insult for good measure. This is called framing, once you're in his frame you're done. Most people fall right into his frame. I've only seen one person not fall into his frame consistently on the gdb. He also willfully misinterprets things to reframe the discussion. To fit his narrative. |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jul 17, 2015 18:14:44 GMT -5
Actually, I don't think Nyr has an inferiority complex. Not if we're being serious about this. If anything, he has a superiority complex. He thinks he's doing a good job, and making the game better for the majority of the players. It's why he is so aggressive and abrasive. No one could have kept up Nyr's track record, if they were just in it for personal gratification, or to get off on being in charge. Trust me. Those people burn out fast. (See Nessalin, who lingered on as long as he did only because Nyr was doing the work of three producers). ... It's that when he makes bad decisions, he will defend them with the ferocity of a honey badger, and he will destroy you if he thinks you're harming his vision. I'm going to pass on trying to decide if he feels bigger or smaller than everyone. That doesn't get to the heart of the issue. I think it would be easier to describe him has having a massive glass ego. Nyr wants to believe he is amazing, and by extension everything he does is better than anything anyone else could do. The reason he acts like such a little shit is because he can't separate himself from his work. Any problem with what he's doing is a problem with him. He particularly seems vulnerable when his changes stand in stark contrast to 20 RL years of precedent, to the point it seems like you're making fun of him for having a birth defect. There is no merit in respecting anything that existed before his vision; it can do nothing for him. I can't speak for other people, but when I accuse him of literally getting off on abusing people, my implication is he irrationally sees people as enemies then takes pleasure in destroying them. I don't believe he can climax unless he can see someone as an enemy. It is unfortunate how little the criteria is to qualify as one. Not every decision Nyr makes is the wrong one. He makes enough good decisions (like closing Tuluk) It's worth remembering he ruined Tuluk first, scared off the playerbase, moved south to ruin Nak, and then closed Tuluk after it started to recover under another staffer's direction. What I do know is that he isn't a complete crank/loon and isn't doing this out of boredom/personal gratification. It's just he is completely implacable and hostile to the mildest criticism, and will see the worst in everyone. If he's in a good mood, he's a decent guy. If he's in a bad mood, he can be incredibly callous, dismissive and cruel. Inflicting whatever he's feeling on other people proves he's a selfish asshole, not human. Reason and, by extension, restraint is what separates us from animals. |
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