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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Sept 29, 2014 18:41:33 GMT -5
Either way, the whole "we're volunteers so you're not allowed to want us to do stuff" statement they've been beating us over the head with for the past few years is getting really, really, really old.
Dear staff.
If you read this?
We get it.
You're unpaid volunteers.
We understand.
We also like... Don't really care?
I mean shit, it was your decision to be staff. Buck up and start staffing. Else find someone else who will.
Hell, players are just as much volunteers as staff are, even arguably more important/valuable than staff are. I bet you'd be hard pressed to find a player who would say, "Yeah, well... Y'know. I don't get paid to do this so I'm just gonna remind you that I don't get paid so it seems justified when I ignore you every time you ask something of me."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 19:26:47 GMT -5
Depends on the staff member. Some of the staff work their asses off and you can see the results if you're in their clans. There's been staffers who were on the list for a clan and I never had any communication with them ever and never saw their names on the weekly update list for resolving any requests or addressing any typos/bugs/ideas or posting on the clan board or anything else. From the player's perspective they didn't exist other than their name on a list. I don't think the staff "owes" players explanations for their existence but it'd go a long way toward mending fences if every staff member assigned to any clan would post once a month in their clan folder to at least let everyone know they're active and doing stuff with the clan. Even if they can't tell us what they're doing for IC reasons or whatever.
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Post by delerak on Sept 29, 2014 20:35:49 GMT -5
lol. guys my dungeon master tonight just threw everything over the desk and said. "Fuck you guys I'm an unpaid volunteer." and stormed out of the office...
-said no DM ever...
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Post by lulz on Sept 29, 2014 21:52:39 GMT -5
Can we split this tangent off into another thread? This particular thread is devoted to the wondrous things Nyr says. Your opinions about what he says are irrelevant; make a new thread if you want to debate/discuss.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Sept 29, 2014 23:19:53 GMT -5
Oh come on. he's clearly a fedora-wearing atheist. he's even the right age for it. i seem to remember him being a youth minister or something. at the very least im like 90% sure he plays in his local church band. lol So he's more of an atheist-maker? damn. it'd go a long way toward mending fences if every staff member assigned to any clan would post once a month in their clan folder to at least let everyone know they're active and doing stuff with the clan. Even if they can't tell us what they're doing for IC reasons or whatever. Totally agreed. Itd also be a great turnaround from the endless carping about how hard they have it to see them put out something positive and informative. It'd also be better thn quotes like this oldie from Nyr:
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Post by Kronibas 2.0 on Sept 30, 2014 9:16:14 GMT -5
Newest quote from Nyr, right off the printing press: "I only like Muk Utep because he's a ginger like me." - Nyr 2014
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Post by BitterFlashback on Sept 30, 2014 11:15:01 GMT -5
gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,48117.msg845525.html#msg845525 - City-elves and stuff. Congratulations! You have just receivd the following Achievements: - 100% Sarcasm
- 100% Disingenuous Approval
- Platonic Ideal: Nyrring
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Post by topkekm8s on Sept 30, 2014 12:06:32 GMT -5
Is it just me or is it getting really bad over there? Like...more than usual? Everyone seems to be getting more and more snarky with the staff and vice-versa. Its like there is this undercurrent of loathing seething through almost every post. Some people seem genuinely upset with how things are being run, they are generally ignored, debated, or subtly mocked. Even the apologists seem beyond bitter - they know the game they have to play to keep playing arm in good standing. Then you have the genuine sycophants, oy vey. And staff - well yeah, need I say more? The community seems really poisoned.
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Post by lyse on Sept 30, 2014 13:22:41 GMT -5
Is it just me or is it getting really bad over there? Like...more than usual? Everyone seems to be getting more and more snarky with the staff and vice-versa. Its like there is this undercurrent of loathing seething through almost every post. Some people seem genuinely upset with how things are being run, they are generally ignored, debated, or subtly mocked. Even the apologists seem beyond bitter - they know the game they have to play to keep playing arm in good standing. Then you have the genuine sycophants, oy vey. And staff - well yeah, need I say more? The community seems really poisoned. I wouldn't say the community is poisoned. I think since everybody from over there comes over here to read shit, they're seeing they are not alone in many things. They are becoming more vocal about things they would've kept quiet about before. The air of secrecy was sort of keeping the playerbase in check and once a lot of that was gone the floodgates opened. A lot of people are realizing the cold hard truth about the game, so there's going to be some stages of grief being displayed by a lot of people.
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Post by delerak on Sept 30, 2014 19:16:15 GMT -5
Nothing new. GDB has had dissent before, it'll get squashed, people will be banned or whatever. No one cares.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Sept 30, 2014 20:30:35 GMT -5
Nothing new. GDB has had dissent before, it'll get squashed, people will be banned or whatever. No one cares. True, but I've never seen it from so many people at once before-- and from people who've been around for ages, at that.
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Post by delerak on Sept 30, 2014 20:42:10 GMT -5
I think it's the natural progression of Arm. Play it, love it, after a certain period of time you become disenchanted by those who run things, you run off and do your own mud, fail miserably, go crawling back to Arm, then hate the staff later, quit for good. Something along those lines anyway.
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Post by lulz on Sept 30, 2014 20:42:31 GMT -5
jcarter, please give me mod privileges to split tangents off.
Now, back on off-topic:
Yeah, I'd tend to agree with you Sinister. I don't know whether it was this board or staff that has caused a greater number of people to grow disenchanted, but whatever the case, it's real and it's happening.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 20:50:52 GMT -5
They go hand in hand. It's no coincidence that this board is here now, not six years ago. It's a symptom of the same problem, and this board wouldn't be here if staff wasn't ruining the game for so many people that an entire shadow community grew from disenfranchised players. It'll take a lot longer to manifest on the GDB because of how totalitarian Nyr is with the forum and how players are punished for their posts, but it's starting to creep through there as well.
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Post by delerak on Sept 30, 2014 21:12:38 GMT -5
I seriously don't get how the staff do zero damage control sometimes. They just say fuck it lol. Collateral damage for EVERYBODY!
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