What really happened to the Red Fangs?

I think we all know it's highly likely Nyr was just bein' Nyr.

I know I'm necroing this post, but I just discovered this forum, and I was a past Red Fang myself (had about 4 RFs, two that made it 20 days+ including a razors branched warrior and a maxed ruk). In fact, I've been part of a couple different clans that were slaughtered by staff with NPCs, come to think of it.

But this question for me really sums up everything about what went wrong with Arm staffing. Because really. They've put more effort into fucking people over then actually running interesting plots. And it's been that way for a long time. 

RIP, RF. All the best people made chars in that clan. X-D's guy was amazing. He could have fuckstomped Sky Allight, given the opportunity and without staff intervention.

I don't even blame Tiernan, by the way. Any of us would do what he did given that kind of incredible staff support, staff alt or not. It was the machinations and the sheer, one-sided screwjob of taking that clan apart in the most pre-ordained, behind the scenes and unfair way possible. The Red Fangs created more real Zalanthan RP than the Sun Runners, Tan Muark and Tuluki bards ever did, and most recent nooblars and templars all together. When you annihilate a clan of people that are actually out there creating conflict and giving something for others to react to and talk about, you're only hastening the boredom of everyone else.

The RFs were a lot better than yet another 'Machiavellian' noble or templar plot to kill their dastardly rival by locking them in their estate and siccing NPC guards on them. How cunning!

What made X-D's RF so great was that he was a confident predator. He'd find you in the wilderness and it'd be like a cat and mouse. But he was always in control of himself. And this style rubbed off on a lot of the RFs. By contrast, a good majority of the people they've ever made templars were cowardly faggots that either shat or creamed themselves the moment they got into a physical altercation and couldn't do anything but 'order giant subdue elf' and 'flee'.

We pretty much called that post on its bullshit a long time ago. Welcome to the forums btw.

Tons of content here. Enjoy catching up.

Honestly this was THE number one problem with Armageddon. The fact that for at least six or seven years running, you would have a better time playing the game if the Imms left you completely alone. Their participation/input was virtually always negative, except to a very rare and precious few.

It wasn't enough that they would ignore clans for months, even years at a time, where even animating a leader NPC and making some token participation in an event once a month or so would have been an incalculable improvement. They were completely distant until it somehow affected their alts, or whoever their friends' alts were, and then they'd come and fuck your shit up.

And there were a few players that got into like RL relationships with staffers, that received some serious bonuses. But I think even the most hardcore staff fluffers rarely, if ever, got anything back from it. They just had a greater capacity for self-delusion.

Arm has been one of the worst managed games of all time, staffed almost exclusively by people with no lives who believe they're much smarter than they really are, but all of whom - with only one or two exceptions - are about as competent and needlessly bureaucratic as an episode of the Office. I'd almost go so far as to say that Arm staffing is distinctly Kafkaesque, but that would be too much of a compliment.

There were a couple decent staffers kicking around at any given time, but Nyr and Adhira were never one of them. Adhira in many ways was/is worse than Nyr. Since she combines apathy with obsessive bureaucracy and self-importance.

Heh. Barely the tip of the iceberg, so far.

But the sad thing is, if the Armageddon community had a forum like this ten years ago, the game would probably be either in much better shape than it is now or a smoking pile of cinders.

I swear, 3/4ths of the reason for the rabid moderation on the public GDB is just to keep dirty secrets hushed away, and keeping staff from being accountable. It's too late now. But at one time, it would have been nice. Fuck them, anyways. They had the luxury of spying on us and writing catty account notes devoid of context. We should have been able to talk shit about their ill performance before their bad habits and crazy game direction became fossilized.

But not all of them were fuckholes. Most every staffer whose name started with a T, seemed to run their clans with something approaching humanity. And there were always a few clueless newbie staffers just trying to do their best.

To me, Arm's longevity is a testament to the greatness of the IP and the players...and that first, great framework of a game's philosophy. I don't believe staff has, in the last six or seven years, done anything but harm their game. They've certainly chipped away at all the best things about it since 2006ish.