What really happened to the Red Fangs?

Well. I disagree with this.

I mean Templars are okey with the Guild raiding and robbing their citizens. Why would they give a shit about a bunch of elves raiding and robbing people outside the walls? RF was useful for both templarates of both cities. If there is a 'really' dangerous 'heretical' rogue mage, they could hire out the RF to go hunt them down. And if the mage ended up being an idiot, or too newbie, and not really all that useful for RF, they would've easily killed him.

So no, it is not logical for the Templarate to spend a gazillion amount of obsidian coins mobolize an army and raid a bunch of tents, only to have them basically just dissapear into the sands. The only times when templarate decided to raid ... the Gith for example, is when they get massive push from the noble house of some kind and there is intelligence about a sorcerer collaborating with the Gith. RF camp was mobile, as in it changed locations every so often. Therefore they literally had no turf to defend. Partly why the whole show down with SR was so illogical. If RF reacted realistically in that war, they would've just splintered and spread all over the world. Then went guirella war on SR, knocking off their Krathi and whatever else. Obviously, that's not what happened.

I like how you say they'd need to spend a bazillion coins. How so? You wouldn't even need imm-intervention to hunt down RF. Gather together every merchant house (they all hated them), gather together all the militia, a couple templars, hire the Byn (far from expensive for one day of fighting). You'd have around 30 PCs at this point, not to mention templars with magick capabilities and gemmed that they want to bring along, more than enough to destroy the RF. Would people die? Probably but you could easily surround the camp and raze it to the ground. The problem is players never did this (or staff wouldn't allow it?).

To expand a bit on the RF ranger:

The ranger in question was played by Majikal. I know from my immortal contact that he challenged the NPC leader to a duel, and summarily had his ass handed to him because the avatar had extremely buffed skills/stats; he never stood a chance.

The other ranger in question was X-D. He died to a staff-played sorceror (a staff member whose nak templar I once nuked with electricity) who bombed him in the face after he attempted to become his "apprentice". At least, this is what the staff bud told me.

In my opinion, the Sun Runners are completely boring and are loved by staff. Their documentation is absolutely atrocious and contradicts itself -- are there stars, or AREN'T there stars?

Flint Sky and Cut Rock owned the Abi'li Pah before the Red Fang truly came into power. Any RF that crossed us was instantly taken out.

I remember stalking outside the RF stand after I chased Majikal's ranger in there *begging* for him to come out and fight. He knew Sky was down to tan that hide.

Around that time, Sky had succeeded in getting pretty close with the SR and trading for tews (elven children to the Soh Lanah Kah, and later as Zul was rebuffed and said that NEVER happened. Revisionist shite, I say! *shakes fist*). Malifaxis/ShaSWOOOOOOSH tried his little manipulative games with his avatar, twisting and using the Soh who did his bidding at times in the hopes he would continue to keep their Kah alive. (the elf/Azzah if I'm not mistake, in Skyfire who fights the gortok or jakhals if you care to take a look)

In any case, after some time a SR crossed Sky and Cut and we'd had enough of her manipulative ways and deceit. She attacked Sky (he had a particular way with women) and paralyzed him with needles he'd poisoned for her, even though they codedly bounced off of his armor. *eyeroll*

Cut commenced to whipping that ass, and after she was dead SWOOOOOSH called down the krathis and threatened our camp with nasty nasty fire he'd summoned right outside our camp.

tl;dr: You're not going to beat the SR. They are too virtually powerful. No matter how strong you are codedly or how smart you are, they will simply do to you what they did to Sky, Cut, Majikal and his gang. You will lose, so don't even bother.

In any case, after Cut died a ridiculously stupid death and Sky was force stored, the RF came into power. Alas, if only Majikal and I had set our differences aside and joined forces...christ almighty we could have terrorized those bastards and completely wiped out their pbase.

The Red Fangs did not deserve to be wiped out. If anything, the ATV should go and the RF/Soh should have remained as smaller, more vicious tribes to terrorize the SR.

This post went everywhere. My apologies.

I don't use this forum, but it came up in a google search about Red Fangs. Staff handled this well and it was by far my favorite death of any pc I've played. There is a lot of misinformation and assumption going on in this thread which is where people end up feeling sour. My staff member at the time was Uruz and Nyr and our contact with staff was often and thorough, nothing was done without lots of discussion beforehand. The Red Fang plots were not rail-roaded to any specific means. Do to things unknown to anyone outside of the plot, some Red Fangs may have chose some odd paths at the end and it would lead people to jump to conclusions not knowing the current situations of the pc's involved. The Sun Runner war was kicked off realistically, this was also an awesome way of closing the clan.

Really? I just googled Red Fangs and went through over 10 pages of results and I did not find a link to this thread.

I can explain the roflstomping of the 'maxxed' d-elf ranger. Seeing as it was me. The long time leader of the Red Fangs. Sorry your facts are all wrong, the story was awesome to those involved. Nearly all of your speculation on why things happened and what caused them to happen were ic, questions which if taken up ig would have ended up spinning off even more plots all over the world. But alas, people speculated that things were silly and unrealistic it seems like rather than reacting appropriately to ic events and asking those questions, which would have provided some more than awesome results. The closer you look, the less you're going to see unfortunately.



Staff did no railroading of the plot, and the entirety of the thing was handled through ic events and circumstances and even on the death of my pc it was all agreed upon, this was not staff assassinating me as it would seem some of you would like to believe. Furthermore, the npc in question was matched with my pc stat for stat and skill for skill. I was told by staff that I'd literally be fighting my doppleganger, furthermore the life or death of my pc was decided by a LEGIT coinflip. I'm amazed at the ammount of information you guys scraped together and the conclusions you hopped too though. I was grateful to be a part of the downfall of my favorite clan and it was the best crew of staffers I got to work with in my entire time with Armageddon.

Explain one thing to me then. Why didn't the RF just pack up and relocate if they knew the SR were headed their way to destroy their camp with fire and brimstone? Why didn't the BADASS leader that fucked you up in 3 hits not show up and fight alongside his brethren? Because that NPC wasn't at the fight I assure you. Please answer these simple questions.