What really happened to the Red Fangs?

They were summarily shut down by some staffers AFAIK. I talked to one of the guys who was there for the whole thing basically it went down like this.

Staff posts on RF forums: Everybody be on for this RPT on this date and this time. Everybody logs in and a staff takes over some NPC. The NPC is uber buffed with stats and items and proceeds to fuck up the current PC leader of the RF. He kills him there and says we are going to war or some such. So the next RPT the SR show up with a bunch of elementals and proceed to kill all of the RFs and destroy their whole camp. Pretty fucked up but whatever, the RF had it coming.

Deserved it, then.

Red Fang have been antagonizing Sun Runners for awhile just by simply demonstrating their superiority in coded ways, as well as connections and possession of pet magickers.

Sky Alight 'began' the first act of war by torching Red Fang's tent in the Blackwing outpost. I do not know if Blackwing reamed Sun Runners for it, but they should've. That Tent was a shop that sold RF gear and someone just waltz in and burns it down without Blackwing's support? Weird. But anyway.

Red Fang cant think of anything else to do, but to start killing off PCs. Always a mistake?

Eventually, one of the RF Rukkians stumbles onto Broken Wing, who was de facto PC leader of SR at the time. A pretty iffy character, in my opinion? She've killed a fellow SR once and got nothing as punishment for it. But nothing happened to her for it. It was also up to her whether or not to fight off Allanak when they came to close the Ruk (which might've caused the flooding and all that). But she chickened out. So the entire force of SR, SLK, RF, and Akei'ta'var, with hidden Lirathan support just stood there, mobilized, but doing nothing, as Allanaki waltzed in and did whatever they wanted on SR lands. Considering the amount of Magickal power, even if RF were to betray them, and SLK be useless, the SR/Akei'ta'var would've annihilated the entire Naki force. But that didnt happen because Broken Wing did not give the order.

Anyway. The RF Ruk insta slept Broken Wing. And yet if I understand correctly, right away, was contacted by SR elders, threatening total war if RF were to kill her. Whether 'exactly' because of the threat (How did Elders find out who slept BW, she didnt have time to way, or anything), or just whatever, RF decided to kill Broken Wing after all. I was in SR at the time and I felt a missing step somewhere. Like you know how someone uses OOC info to reach a conclusion, you try to track their train of thought, but realize there is a piece of data that the person is pulling out of thin air? That's how it felt for me. But yes, anyway RF killed Broken Wing.

Something that's generally not entirely their MO. I mean, in my experience, under that leadership of RF, you had to truly provoke them to earn a PK. They could break every bone in your body, rape you, rob you, but unless you're a douche, or were paid for, they didnt PK you. But anyway, they killed Broken Wing which solidified the War.

The Elder of RF have banned such actions which made the PC Leader of RF challenge the Elder NPC to the RF type of succession ritual. Which was basically a fight to the death. The NPC annihilated the PC RF leader. As you can probably guess if you ever played with characters ran by X-D, or Majikal, that NPC had to have ... insane skills and stats to do it so quickly, and so easily. It COULD have been bad rolls, but ... oh well. Either way, the RF lost it's primary strongest ranger, only real leader, and truth is, the only one who knew what he was doing? They also lost their second strongest ranger (I'm guessing that's Quirri whom Anaiah is talking about), because she basically rebelled at the sight of how the RF PC leader's death was handled and got moved down herself.

An RPT was scheduled where the main show down between SR and RF was to take place. Problem is, with the old ranger dead, and his second in command dead. The only RF character of any 'serious' prowess was an RF rukkian. Who was fully branched, but low off/def, and a fraction of days played, compared to most of Sun Runners players.

If I'm understanding it right. I dont know what RF rukkian was thinking? He could've summoned a bunch of mon elementals (Which was exactly what Sky Alight did?), and just let the code go versus code. He have done 'none' of that. So when the show down came. It was one half trained rukkian and some other half trained mundanes, versus some half trained rangers, a year + fully trained Krathi, and a bunch of mon elementals. The fight ended 'very' quick.

If The RF elder NPCs did not kill the RF PC leader. Things would've went 'very' different. RF wouldnt be standing still waiting for PCs. RF wouldnt let the Imms dictate how they're going to fight. You stand still here, waiting for people to come to you and attack you, and oh ... you cant flee. Since the final show down was put down to code. RF would've won, if it didnt succeed in killing half of it's own playerbase right before the RPT. RF used "none" of it's strength, that allowed them to win and survive, during that war. Maximum that RF Rukkian could've done before dying, was take some lives with him, which he didnt. He died very fast.

None of that is Sun Runner's fault though. It was totally irrelevent if Sky Alight was an avatar, or not. Hell, before sky Alight, there was Jakhal. And before Jakhal, there was ... some other, whose name I forgot. SR is famous for very long lived, very powerful, very scary Krathians.

armqwertytwo was pretty close on everything. Anyway yeah the staff left a bad taste in my mouth. RF were closed down by staff. Even though they say no this is not true. Also about the maxxed rukkian, he DID summon elementals they were insta-gibbed by the staff member there. He has the log to prove it if he is around.

Because it wasn't viewed as ruining it, but rather as letting 'player driven' mean shutting a clan that they deemed got unrealistically powerful and too big for its britches, so they let the 'players drive' the war to a head, then killed off the ones that could have shifted the war in the RF favor before the actual clash. You know, so the players could have their war, and the staff could close the clan.

That's just a bit bitter of me, given that I agree with the decision to close the clan to players at least for a time. I don't agree with how it was done, but I agree with the idea behind it. That being said... 'player driven' should mean that players are able to drive their own plots. Not that their plots are rejected when they don't fit with what you want, compromised when they half-ass do, into something unrecognizable to them, and only accepted when they dovetail with staff goals.

Unfortunately, for the most part, those decisions lie in admin, not Storyteller, hands. Which was very disheartening when I joined and found that out.

What I really don't get, like serious REALLY don't get is every time.. every fucking time the staff decide to actually DO something for a fucking change they manage to fuck it all up somehow.

Why the fuck wouldn't Allanak just go destroy the RF camp? There are entries in the history page that show another elf tribe getting zapped fucking hard by 'Nak and being completely obliterated by a templar. I just don't understand so you have these RF raiders killing tons of PCs all over the world and the greatest power in the south doesn't find their camp and go destroy it? Makes ZERO sense to me.

Yeah, I was baffled by the decision there as well. It would've made -much- more sense for Allanak to do so, considering they were regularly coming out of the Pah and raiding around Allanak, which was a lot more regularly done, and a lot more offensive, than a disagreement with a single Sun Runner, which started this 'war'.