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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 0:09:09 GMT -5
I want to clarify, I got to advanced slashing with wooden training longswords. same ive bumped to advance and master with sparring wpns, theres no cap unless its been put in the last few yrs Yeah, I think its just hard to hit that high regardless and so people just sort of assume it has a cap.
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Post by sirra on Aug 10, 2016 0:13:50 GMT -5
I had a dwarf warrior with AI strength and EG endurance once. He was a pretty tough fighter but still lost an arena championship to a human fairly late in his career. He died to a Red Fang arrow, in the night, during a sandstorm, while leading his Byn unit on an escort. So even if he'd been the toughest warrior of all time, he was still vulnerable. So why make the effort to be "king" if you can be struck down so easily, might as well just play the game (or not). Did you ever branch an advanced weapon with him, like pikes or what not? Did you ever do a lot of boxing with him, where you beat Runners up with your hands and them armed? AI strength and endurance can't do it for you alone. You have to build on that by twinking Off/Def. Then while sword/boarding it, you can almost be immune to arrows. /Magic stuff will still wreck you, of course, as ever it has ever been and even more so now. Which is why so few people invest the time into making a true super-killer mundane.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 2:50:04 GMT -5
Honestly if you are a warrior dorf, if you arent boxing you are probably dorf'in wrong. Their innate low agility makes for terrible baseline defense. But once it gets there it is actually quite surprising to see how dodgey they can be. Same as a HG. Twink the fuck up and be almost impossible to kill if you go sword and board. Everything except magic and in some cases even then something like buff to their strength isnt going to kill you if they cant actually hit you. I dont know how magic works very much, only played one gick and didnt get very far.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Aug 11, 2016 3:11:56 GMT -5
The general idea is they are going to calm you and laugh in your face, intoxicate you till you pass out, or just demonfire you 3 times for fun. No skill is going to stop that. Except bash. Twink bash.
Sword/spear and board is the best combo. Once you get shield to master only main hand it if you are fighting something you cant kill, once you master your weapon main hand shield all the damn time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 20:37:48 GMT -5
Something that has been playing in my mind for a bit now is:
Do weapon skills affect shield use in the same way it effects parry?
If it does that means a fair bit.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Aug 21, 2016 15:55:50 GMT -5
Something that has been playing in my mind for a bit now is: Do weapon skills affect shield use in the same way it effects parry? If it does that means a fair bit. I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure I'm right. Weapon skills effect your defense AGAINST a certain weapon. So say you have 30 defense and you are fighting against someone who uses piercing. But you have kick ass piercing. You have '35' defense now because your piercing roll is good a f. So because of that you will parry more, and block more, and dodge more.
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Post by grumble on Aug 21, 2016 20:04:05 GMT -5
I personally thing it's wrong, hellpoo, but my only evidence is anecdotal, so it's not worth shit. In my personal opinion, actual weapon skills have zilch to do with defense, but I gave up a bunch of power-gaming shit a long time ago.
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Post by grumble on Aug 21, 2016 20:06:32 GMT -5
Try playing a merchant like a warrior, you can't play full gickers like that now, but you CAN play a merchant with ZERO weapons skills and still beat the shit out of near any non-warrior, if you twink up your offense/defense.
EDIT: Some of the other classes may influence the brawl code though, so if you have to inflate your epeen just play dwarf warrior.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Aug 21, 2016 21:24:13 GMT -5
Yeah but. You'll find that someone with twinked defense and a weapon skill will block shit more than someone who doesn't. Though that could just be because those classes that get weapon skills, usually warrior, usually get parry as well.
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Post by grumble on Aug 22, 2016 14:27:53 GMT -5
Merchants have been some of my deadliest characters... well, they had to be, lack of coded combat skill means you have to take down a potential threat before they become a threat. One day, I'll write up a merchant guide. Warrior is superior in combat because parry/shield use, but if you read the helpfiles, protectors get master parry and shield use caps. An all-around badass like a ranger, despite being able to branch parry, will not cap out at the master level, and their shield use will be abysmal. Sure warriors have little tricks in their basket, like kick, disarm, and bash, and two out of three do not apply to a mounted opponent. Also, try disarming someone who just shivved you with heramide and perraine, bfd, you're still dead as dirt. Also, you can't, bash them off a mount, if you're big enough, you can bash the mount but now you're fighting two opponents. They can use CHARGE on you, which will seriously fuck your day, and trample. They get master riding, and this in turn boosts their defense. If a warrior and a ranger/protector fight in the wilds? My money's on the ranger, nevermind they can shoot you in your stupid twink face with poisoned arrows.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Aug 22, 2016 15:03:34 GMT -5
If god loveth you the ranger is stupid and trying to use two daggers against you and trying to just get poison procs as opposed to actually charging/trample
By that point your god tier advanced weapon/two hand and parry will let you fight his mount then disarm his ass at the same time.
DOn't fight outdoors.
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Post by grumble on Aug 22, 2016 15:44:32 GMT -5
But, god does NOT love you, and that duel-knife wielding ranger will ruthlessly shank your ass. See the log of Sirra's ranger taking down a powerful half-giant, or maybe that was someone else, let me find it.
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Post by sirra on Aug 23, 2016 2:31:33 GMT -5
But, god does NOT love you, and that duel-knife wielding ranger will ruthlessly shank your ass. See the log of Sirra's ranger taking down a powerful half-giant, or maybe that was someone else, let me find it. It was me. It's in the log's section. The half-giant in question was a 100 day+ HG warrior, that spent at least the last 15 days of his playtime getting twinked up by Nadhir, too. He dismounted, tried to disarm me a couple times, but got charged down for his trouble (after miraculously avoiding the first, which just goes to show how good his Defense was for an HG), and got butchered with poison knives. This was also after they made paralytics much harder to apply, so I had to stab him a few times before it took, which gave him time to swing back a bit. But I'd sparred with him enough before then to know it'd take extreme luck to connect. And part of it was just not giving a shit by then. I was so tired of him.
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Post by fatfinger on Aug 23, 2016 15:38:29 GMT -5
Yeah but. You'll find that someone with twinked defense and a weapon skill will block shit more than someone who doesn't. Though that could just be because those classes that get weapon skills, usually warrior, usually get parry as well. I don't have strict evidence supporting this, but I was under the impression the higher your skill with a weapon, the better you are at PARRYING that weapon. Dodge is unaffected, but that is part of what makes advanced weapons so frightening, so few have them, which means almost no one has the parry bonus from the weapon skill. A certain long lived ranger I knew worked all four weapon types up to at least journeyman for that reason. It's obviously most apparent for warriors because they start with parry, but anyone with parry should receive the benefit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 0:20:50 GMT -5
Anyone got evicdence of swords having better parry then other weapons? Or is this all just bullshit?
Outside of rl circumstances duhhh Em tries to parry with a pike rl against a guy with a club
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