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Post by jkarr on Jun 9, 2014 2:44:47 GMT -5
Mekillot, you are perpetuating several pieces of bad information. Base O sure as heck contributes to weapon accuracy. Training unarmed can raise base O. Therefore... Training unarmed will raise unarmed offense. training unarmed will also raise base offense, which takes us back to point a... |
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Post by mekillot on Jun 9, 2014 4:43:31 GMT -5
If you can't tell, then I don't think it works that way.
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Post by yaznokumf on Jun 9, 2014 9:53:58 GMT -5
If you can't tell, then I don't think it works that way. Training unarmed will definately raise offense. Anyone who had played a mage or merchant can validate this, as combat inceases their offense, but they have no weapons skills. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 9:58:46 GMT -5
If you can't tell, then I don't think it works that way. The logic is: Base offense + weapon skill +- weapon modifiers (and probably a stat, and other stuff) equals accuracy. This is why some characters get capped at a certain level of weapon skill, unable to advance for lack of ability to get more skill failures. When A + B = the defense score your pc can readily practice against, you are done. Therefore, inflating base O... |
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Post by jcarter on Jun 9, 2014 10:44:15 GMT -5
If you can't tell, then I don't think it works that way. Training unarmed will definately raise offense. Anyone who had played a mage or merchant can validate this, as combat inceases their offense, but they have no weapons skills. i think this is debatable, based off of what we saw with lulz's post showing the table of offense- Here's a brief look at what hidden skills you can improve: *Language skills ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- sirihish 100 cavilish 10 NorthAccent 100 h SouthAccent 100 h BenduneAccent 100 h Spice skills Tolerance skills ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- alcohol 14 h tol pain 36 hl *Weapon per Race skills -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Humanoid Insectine Ophidian Plant Avian Flying | Mammalian | Flightless | Reptilian | Arachnid | | | | | | | | | | Hit | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | Bludgeon| -1 | 15 | 7 | 9 | -1 | -1 | 12 | -1 | -1 | Pierce | -1 | 36 | 4 | -1 | -1 | -1 | 5 | -1 | -1 | Stab | -1 | 28 | 7 | 15 | -1 | -1 | 48 | -1 | -1 | Chop | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | Slash | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | Whip | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | You also have a hidden willpower skill that's not listed above, but I've had it given to me before. I think you're stuck with what you roll, but Anaiah can confirm if she's willing to. Back to lurking. this seems to imply that offense is rated based on a million and one separate categories. therefore, a merchant always sparring with a sword against people will have a bonus fighting against humanoids with a sword. if they try spiders though, less chance. @anaiah or @barka would you mind chiming in on this |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 15:46:01 GMT -5
Not so much a bonus. Let's say it is more or less the thing that rates how good you are in combat. If you earnestly practice it up, it's not a bonus so much as progression in that particular area, much like any sort of skill or level progression it gets tougher to raise as it goes up, but comes with better results.
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Post by forarm on Jun 9, 2014 17:15:35 GMT -5
Not so much a bonus. Let's say it is more or less the thing that rates how good you are in combat. If you earnestly practice it up, it's not a bonus so much as progression in that particular area, much like any sort of skill or level progression it gets tougher to raise as it goes up, but comes with better results. It has been said there is an additional universal or base defense skill not listed in that chart. Is there an addition base offense skill that is also not listed in that chart? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 17:42:54 GMT -5
Offense and Defense are separate skills. You can easily have 90 offense/defense and have -1 on everything plant and avian in terms of weapons proeffeciency. Which is what this table is. Your familiarity with weapons/species.That familiarity affects your defense and offense both, I 'suspect', though cannot confirm. Definitely defense ... or was it offense? I dont remember. I never gave enough fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 17:52:46 GMT -5
Offense and Defense are separate skills. You can easily have 90 offense/defense and have -1 on everything plant and avian in terms of weapons proeffeciency. Which is what this table is. Your familiarity with weapons/species.That familiarity affects your defense and offense both, I 'suspect', though cannot confirm. Definitely defense ... or was it offense? I dont remember. I never gave enough fuck. I believe it's both and you put that a lot better than I did. |
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Post by mekillot on Jun 9, 2014 18:22:53 GMT -5
If it helps both...
Does that mean chopping people will make it easier to dodge being chopped by people?
Does being chopped by people make it easier to chop people?
What exactly raises weapon/species familiarity?
Before looking at that chart I believed Offense and Defense were one skill. So now I'll fall back on older notes.
Already had that shit figured out, so I thought, and now I know I do.
Also, trash my misinformation on offense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 22:26:44 GMT -5
Fighting with the sort of creatures indicated in the listing, like for instance...
Yes, you can raise your baseline off/def, sparring. But you're going to be a million times better vs people than animals if all you fight is people. That is why my GMH hunters would always insist on going out, rather than sparring, to 'work' rather than dick around, also because of the coded benefit. What was amazing was that at no time ever was the suggestion taken from me, and the clans would slowly empty out of hunters other than lifesworn and leaders.
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Post by sitbackandchillout on Jun 10, 2014 4:48:34 GMT -5
What was amazing was that at no time ever was the suggestion taken from me, and the clans would slowly empty out of hunters other than lifesworn and leaders. What do you mean here? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 5:57:28 GMT -5
Well, if the practice is to get people to a sustainable level for HUNTing, you might want to HUNT if they're to work on the relevant skills.
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Post by mekillot on Jun 10, 2014 6:30:39 GMT -5
GMHs make most recruits sit in the walls for a year. In case anyone didn't know.
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Post by lyse on Jun 10, 2014 6:55:33 GMT -5
GMHs make most recruits sit in the walls for a year. In case anyone didn't know. There lies the responsibility of the clan leader to get recruits out of the city and the responsibility of the staff to have peak clan and off peak clan leaders. ( which doesn't happen) Not only is it good for hunters for archery and hunting skills, it's good for warriors and ride. This is one of the reasons clans are a tough sell to some people, it's often better to skill up first then join a GMH because you're limiting yourself for roughly a month. That's a long time if you're in a clan with a bunch of bad RPers or you're not getting out like you should. Ain't nobody got time for that! |
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