forarm
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Post by forarm on Sept 24, 2013 21:55:19 GMT -5
Anyone have any idea how long does it take to actually max these out? I know probably slow to get to 100, but sometimes I wonder since it seems weapon knowledge plays a bigger part in defense?However maybe that is just when fighting things with weapons.
I do not believe weapon skills plays any part when defending against animals, so it all about defense skill then? I know you can still parry attacks from animals but in general I'm wondering if its mostly defense skill that determines how well you perform against them?
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Post by lulz on Sept 24, 2013 22:20:55 GMT -5
It takes a long, long time unless all you do is twink/train. Fighting critters barehanded helps but staff have apparently cracked down on that. Fail a bash even if you're not a warrior and fight on your butt.
Weapon skills only factor in against humanoids, NOT critters. Unless a raptor is wielding a sword, your slashing skill will not be factored into the combat, but rather your base defense and armor.
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Post by mekillot on Sept 24, 2013 22:45:10 GMT -5
Parry and shield-use too. That's only for defense though.
Weaponskill factors into resisting disarm from some critters.
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forarm
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Post by forarm on Sept 24, 2013 23:36:28 GMT -5
wow. It kinda makes you appreciate those bonuses to wildlife rangers get, since they are pretty effective at fighting almost anything short of a bahamet/mek even before they branch parry. I know it takes a assassin an insane amount of time to be anywhere near as effective but they do eventually become so as well I suppose, depending on their riding skills.
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jjhardy
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Post by jjhardy on Dec 6, 2013 13:38:42 GMT -5
Please explain these bonuses
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Dultd
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Post by Dultd on Dec 6, 2013 15:13:28 GMT -5
Please explain these bonuses You generally fight better against them, irc |
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Post by lyse on Aug 24, 2014 10:04:33 GMT -5
It takes a long, long time unless all you do is twink/train. Fighting critters barehanded helps but staff have apparently cracked down on that. Fail a bash even if you're not a warrior and fight on your butt. Weapon skills only factor in against humanoids, NOT critters. Unless a raptor is wielding a sword, your slashing skill will not be factored into the combat, but rather your base defense and armor. I'm bumping this because I've seen weird shit like raptors wielding clubs and shortswords before. |
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Post by jkarr on Aug 24, 2014 12:13:38 GMT -5
It takes a long, long time unless all you do is twink/train. Fighting critters barehanded helps but staff have apparently cracked down on that. Fail a bash even if you're not a warrior and fight on your butt. Weapon skills only factor in against humanoids, NOT critters. Unless a raptor is wielding a sword, your slashing skill will not be factored into the combat, but rather your base defense and armor. I'm bumping this because I've seen weird shit like raptors wielding clubs and shortswords before. bingo and also it doesnt account for when creatures barehanded attacks are slash or bludgeon, etc. vs bites or claws |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 20:57:38 GMT -5
Just worth noting. While your weapon skills only help in defense against others who use weapon skills themselves, not having any weapons equipped (Even the ones you dont have a skill for), gives you major penalties to your general defense.
A weak 0 hour merchant who's wielding a skinning knife is somewhat more difficult to kill then 0 hour warrior who is totally unarmed.
Very loosely speaking.
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mood
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Post by mood on Aug 25, 2014 1:01:36 GMT -5
Do shields count for the unarmed penalty?
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yoashi
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Post by yoashi on Aug 25, 2014 10:53:44 GMT -5
I generally consider shields to be a "tool" item that, when held, provide a +block bonus but are otherwise useless.
Thats not ENTIRELY correct, but you can't whip the shield around and use it as a bludgeoning weapon or anything. Unless some enterprising mastercrafter can convince a staffer to make a "flip" version that IS, but I don't think thats how the code works.
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mood
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Post by mood on Aug 25, 2014 13:47:38 GMT -5
So, they don't mitigate the unarmed defense penalty?
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yoashi
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Post by yoashi on Aug 25, 2014 19:06:52 GMT -5
A good way to check, would be to es, ep, and etwo the shield, and see if you are flagged as "armed" or not. The prompt has a setting, I think its %a or %A.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 19:50:35 GMT -5
Pretty sure having a shield is considered Armed. I believe whirans/viv lose the def penalty while all they're wielding is their magickal shields.
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viking
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Post by viking on Nov 11, 2015 17:15:32 GMT -5
If Im a pickpocket and decide to train with an axe is there any point to it?
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