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Post by blahblahblah on Sept 8, 2024 17:33:00 GMT -5
Whew!
Well, gooood lord. That escalated to a full on REEEEEEEEEEE, dude. For something you're not a part of, and don't want to participate in. Like... okay? So don't? But no... decry the fact that it happens at ALL, and the people that do it are morally bankrupt, and single-handedly destroying whatever.
It really does deconstruct the argument down to the fact that there are people that ABSOLUTELY don't want it happening at ALL, no matter how much they say "To each their own". Because if it really was, to each their own, then it would be just an "ick... where's my bone sword?". There is also the Schrodinger's Cat aspect of it - folks saying they never see it, and it hasn't impacted them at all, but are clucthing their pearls at the idea of it and have to let that be known. Why? Who knows? Who cares?
What I'm not cool with is equating being okay with it to somehow supporting a whole system of abuse and oppression in the gaming space. There was never an option of, "You do your thing, I do mine." in this discussion. I'm dropping the topic, and moving on with life.
Like wow. Cool off and apologize, because that was a shitty take. Or not. Do you.
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Post by jcarter on Sept 8, 2024 17:41:49 GMT -5
one is gaming, the other is for sexual gratification. they're not even in the same ballpark. i agree with the first part, and disagree with the second part. ERPing isn't any of my business. but associating a character being 'sexual' or claiming that it comes with the territory of playing a character well is completely untrue. characters, both in roleplaying and in any other media, don't need to be sexual or veer at all into the topic to be a great character or well written. ERP is there for sexual gratification and/or titillation. that's not a judgment or condemnation on it, it's just the reality of the situation. trying to put it into some higher level of roleplaying is nonsense. This thing ate my whole post while I was typing it on my phone and I’m not bothered enough to type it all again. 1) RP is something different than ‘gaming’. We can agree to disagree on that point. let's speak plainly and keep it fact-specific. we're talking about armageddon, which is a video game that also involves roleplaying. you tried comparing your perceptions of the views here on metagaming to ERP to make some sort of point, and i pointed out that it was silly. which is silly. people don't need to incorporate being sexual to have three dimensional characters. the same effect could have been achieved without two players writing explicit emotes to each other through suggestive behavior or statements, an imm echo, or even a rumor board posting. i remain skeptical that the two players writing explicit and collaborative sexual fiction together were doing it for 'pure roleplay' reasons and not sexual gratification. |
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Post by baron on Sept 8, 2024 17:52:15 GMT -5
...🙄 Yeah, no, I'm not going to apologize to a community that used to allow "kid" and "youth" as sdescs in a game where they roleplay fucking each other in explict detail. And then makes it against the rules, holding their imaginary internet karma points hostage, for telling anyone if there's an abusive situation. I rarely encountered ERP when I played. When I did, it was always be accident, and it always made me feel grossed out. I hated it, and that is a valid emotion for me to have about it. I'd rather play games where the likelyhood of encountering those situations is close to 0%. If you disagree and believe that I should just put up with something I dislike for the sake of your gratification, you can 🖕 fuck the fuck off 🖕. |
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 8, 2024 18:31:48 GMT -5
So I'm confused. You can play armageddon without running into explicit ERP every waking moment and can mostly chalk it up to seeing a couple canoodling in the movies or accidentally bumping going from a club dance floor to a side room. Or is the mere existence of ERP a bane upon the community which while not impacting your play significantly now that you are aware of the LEVIATHAN THAT LURKS IN THE DEEP you must cry out warning to all of its corrupting influence? I'm just trying to get a bead on it because in the most sensible position possible. Live and let live. If you run into an explicit scene, ooc I do not consent can we ftb. Yes even if I am drovian or super spy. If you don't run into an explicit scene than who cares? PS - As I told the crazy mental health guy in the past. If you ever think Armageddon MUD is actually permitting minors to play knowingly and they're being predated on than there are plenty of authorities website you can report them too. Just saying. PPS - Remember when this came up 5 years ago... armageddonmud.boards.net/post/38841/thread |
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Post by lyse on Sept 8, 2024 18:50:18 GMT -5
This thing ate my whole post while I was typing it on my phone and I’m not bothered enough to type it all again. 1) RP is something different than ‘gaming’. We can agree to disagree on that point. let's speak plainly and keep it fact-specific. we're talking about armageddon, which is a video game that also involves roleplaying. you tried comparing your perceptions of the views here on metagaming to ERP to make some sort of point, and i pointed out that it was silly. which is silly. people don't need to incorporate being sexual to have three dimensional characters. the same effect could have been achieved without two players writing explicit emotes to each other through suggestive behavior or statements, an imm echo, or even a rumor board posting. i remain skeptical that the two players writing explicit and collaborative sexual fiction together were doing it for 'pure roleplay' reasons and not sexual gratification. Dude, you are so full of shit its not even funny.
I'm pointing out its stupid to be on a board full of meta to be crying about ERP. Period. Yeah, yeah...go into the 'rinth and murder a girl repeatedly to get your backstab skill up, but doing the sex? Nyuk, nyuk nyuk...that's nasty!
I get it, the person that was doing it should've been facilitating plots...that means it was too much. It usually has zero effect on anybody outside of the two (or three) people doing it.
There's a damned log based around a dude fucking a melon on here for christ sakes. I honestly don't care how skeptical you are regrading the scene, I said it was funny TO ME. Yeah, you don't have to do it and most people don't.
You seem to be a pretty smart guy, but you draw the line in some of the dumbest places.
Armageddon! You can be a murderer, a thief, a cool warrior and a farmer....but sex? Get out of here you creep.
Get the fuck outta here.
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Post by jcarter on Sept 8, 2024 19:09:09 GMT -5
I'm pointing out its stupid to be on a board full of meta to be crying about ERP. Period. Yeah, yeah...go into the 'rinth and murder a girl repeatedly to get your backstab skill up, but doing the sex? Nyuk, nyuk nyuk...that's nasty! help me understand this. why is it hypocritical for someone to want to know how to quickly level up their characters skills but be put off by others engaging in graphic sexual content in the same game. how is it you believe these are mutually exclusive views? You seem to be a pretty smart guy, but you draw the line in some of the dumbest places. Armageddon! You can be a murderer, a thief, a cool warrior and a farmer....but sex? Get out of here you creep. Get the fuck outta here. i think i made my position about it being none of my business pretty clear, as well as having a neutral standpoint. in fact, we can just refer back to the post where i made that pretty clear and agreed with you that there's nothing wrong with it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with ERP. If you’re playing a person well people are sexual. i agree with the first part, |
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Post by baron on Sept 8, 2024 19:27:54 GMT -5
Armageddon! You can be a murderer, a thief, a cool warrior and a farmer....but sex? Get out of here you creep.
That's a fair point. I didn't have a pragmatic problem with ERP until I started reading horror stories from Arm here and on /r/MUD. I didn't like it, but I could mostly avoid it, and that's all fine. After reading the stories of what other people have had to deal wtih, I am deeply ashamed to have ever played the game. It's possible to have ERP in a safe enviroment, in a safe way, with consenting adults. Armageddon does nothing to facilitate that enviroment. Quite the opposite. It is a uniquely bad place for ERP: with mechanics for spying, requirements for admin oversight, enforced rules on not sharing with a broad community when there is a problem, and a setting/game mechanics where there is a massive social discrepancy between players. In game, you have to literally bow to players to a high social standing, or else die. Great for simulating an oppressive regime. Bad for equalizing participants in an activity where it wasn't the characters who were gaining anything, but the players, in the form of sexual gratification. Sexual gratification is a prize for predators to take, one of the few prizes they can take in a fully text enviroment, and Armageddon (as designed by a 13-year old kid could not have know better) turned out to be an excellent hunting ground. |
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Post by blahblahblah on Sept 8, 2024 19:40:35 GMT -5
Glad you got that off your chest. Hope it makes you feel better and brings you peace. Telling a person that's been getting on your nerves to fuck off is cathartic! I recall telling Mektekillot that same thing when he was here arguing in bad faith. Felt pretty good. I dunno why you feel the need to be that rude to me *in particular*, as I don't even know who the heck you are, but again, you do you.
Anyway. *yawn*
The argument bounced from leaders not being present enough so there should be a ban, to ERP is bad, to if you like it (in this game in particular?) you are an enabling predators, and may even be one. Since this has gotten so triggering to some, and I don't really care as much as may be implied by my stance, I'll leave you all to it before someone gets so angry they decide to start doxxing people. Yeesh.
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Post by lyse on Sept 8, 2024 19:48:30 GMT -5
I'm pointing out its stupid to be on a board full of meta to be crying about ERP. Period. Yeah, yeah...go into the 'rinth and murder a girl repeatedly to get your backstab skill up, but doing the sex? Nyuk, nyuk nyuk...that's nasty! help me understand this. why is it hypocritical for someone to want to know how to quickly level up their characters skills but be put off by others engaging in graphic sexual content in the same game. how is it you believe these are mutually exclusive views? You seem to be a pretty smart guy, but you draw the line in some of the dumbest places. Armageddon! You can be a murderer, a thief, a cool warrior and a farmer....but sex? Get out of here you creep. Get the fuck outta here. i think i made my position about it being none of my business pretty clear, as well as having a neutral standpoint. in fact, we can just refer back to the post where i made that pretty clear and agreed with you that there's nothing wrong with it. i agree with the first part, Because often times it's ignoring the RP aspect of it, how do I know? I have a guide from here and it tells you DON'T RP it because you could draw attention to yourself. And hey, I'm even neutral on that. I'm pointing out that its weird to me. Its weird to act like its some weird aberrant thing on the GDB, when I know some of the people that say "Eww" do it too. It's weird to me to act like its some weird aberrant thing because I know some of the posters that went "Eww" here do it too.
You seem to be saying you're neutral on it but at the same time saying it's solely for 'titillation'. I gave you a real example of how it isn't just 'titillation', I really don't care if it was exciting to them they got caught and it made me laugh. I gave you a funny example, I could give you a serious example. If you're not saying two things, well I really don't care.
Again, "I roleplay smashing people's heads with a bone club, but doing the sex...oh no, no, I don't do that."
Look, I'm neutral on it too, but it got really one sided really fast. Let's just leave it at that and not argue about whether it adds to RP or not. I just don't like the fake purity thing that's going on here.
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Post by lyse on Sept 8, 2024 19:49:49 GMT -5
The argument bounced from leaders not being present enough so there should be a ban, to ERP is bad, to if you like it (in this game in particular?) you are an enabling predators, and may even be one.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 8, 2024 19:51:48 GMT -5
Wasn't Armageddon designed by Cat Rambo ripping off Dark Sun, where is this 13 year old kid stuff coming from?
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Post by baron on Sept 8, 2024 19:58:14 GMT -5
Wasn't Armageddon designed by Cat Rambo ripping off Dark Sun, where is this 13 year old kid stuff coming from? Cat came in much later. She did inspire and champion a more roleplaying-intensive enviroment, and helped the game move away from its Dark Sun roots. Dan Brumleve modified DIKU and with a couple of friends hosted Armageddon back in 1991, even more directly inspired by Dark Sun. He was 13 at the time. (I first logged in probably 1993, but logged right back out after seeing a player count of like 11 or 12 people. I didn't start playing in earnest until the early 2000s.) Haven't heard anything about Dan, and we probably shouldn't look him up. I'm sure he stopped worrying over Arm and went on to do better things with his life a long ass time ago. Like mid-90s. |
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Post by blahblahblah on Sept 8, 2024 19:59:22 GMT -5
LOL
Your mask slipped there a bit, Baron. What the hell does feed the ADC even mean? Counterstrike? Licking orange taint in the election? I wish I had screenshotted that before you deleted it.
I can go do other things in peace now. This was a waste of time debating. Just... wooooow.
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Post by baron on Sept 8, 2024 20:04:43 GMT -5
> What the hell does feed the ADC even mean?
it means you suck. i didn't delete out of shame. I deleted it because other posts popped up between mine and yours.
i stand by every statement. you're a garbage feeder who is hard stuck in low silver. and my elf can absolutely beat the living holy hell out of your gith.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 8, 2024 20:06:46 GMT -5
LOL
Your mask slipped there a bit, Baron. What the hell does feed the ADC even mean? Counterstrike? Licking orange taint in the election? I wish I had screenshotted that before you deleted it.
I can go do other things in peace now. This was a waste of time debating. Just... wooooow.
Feed the ADC is generally linked to MOBAs. ADC means Attack Damage Carry so these are generally characters that autoattack and build attack speed/dmg and end up being big power houses but generally glass cannons. Feeding the ADC makes them buy items quick and reach end game faster. It's like the League of Legends version of feeding trolls, I suspect. |
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