Patuk
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Post by Patuk on Dec 12, 2023 8:12:24 GMT -5
Besides Kiyet, I've heard from at least six different people Yeah dude. People in the Armageddon community talk to each other, a lot. I've also heard it from a ton of people - because everyone talks to everyone else and pretends it super duper doesn't happen you guys, that's just for those mean old cheaters. Of course you've heard it from a ton of guys None of this has to do with the thread's main thrust, of course, and I agree in full that any member of the staff team who can't behave should just get the boot. Do not pass go, do not collect $200
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 8:17:16 GMT -5
Right. So, why would I believe one person who could be duped by a second Discord account (or just trying to obfuscate) as opposed to a whole lot of people - two of whom I rather trust and have shown me screenshots?
Edit: Although that is true, it's derailing the main thrust of the thread. Letting it be. The actual, vile part - that of the abuse of power and general contempt for the playerbase while freely pouring out crap over OOC boundaries is utterly reprehensible.
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Post by gringoose on Dec 12, 2023 11:14:35 GMT -5
My condolences. I don't really understand fully what has been going on here, but I know how staff generally operate and can talk about generalities. Once a staffer has an issue with a player, and your case it's jealousy? They then abuse the player until either they finally crack under pressure and have an episode that gives staff a reason to ban. Or the player they're putting under pressure quietly leaves instead. I believe you, and if it's you that's being accused of being the abuser, that's hardly ever the case and everyone knows staff hold all the power. That's not to say that someone with no power can't be an abuser it's just very hard to be one without it. I don't want to muddy the waters anymore than they have been already.
For many people Arm was part of their life for years. And it's not easy to walk away especially when people have a lot of investment in the game, whether it's time, emotion and sentimentality or whatever they feel they put into the game. They come away from it feeling grief and that's normal when something has been a part of their life for a significant amount of time. I hope you have an easy time parting from the game, and won't have to deal with much grief but if you are, it'll go away soon enough you'll feel fine about it and glad it's over. That's how it was for me and I think others too.
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ask
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Post by ask on Dec 12, 2023 11:22:31 GMT -5
Staff shouldn't be allowed to DM players, period. And if they MUST, they should have a senior staffer in the DM with them, like doctors during papsmears, to ensure nothing runs amok.
Sorry again. Katima is the worst, and it seems she learned her behaviors from the worst, too.
"Don't tell anyone, I don't want to lose my VOLUNTEER job," is some abuser 101 bullshit.
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Post by bebop on Dec 12, 2023 13:25:11 GMT -5
I'm sorry that happened to you. I put in a complaint about Katima not even a few weeks before I made my post calling out staff. At the time, I was playing a Northern Templar as was Mansa. My character had a strong relationship with another PC whom she was making to go through a small process before opening her warehouse. This was a learning experience for me in the role, and also I was trying to set out some small mild challenges to develop the story before handing over warehouse keys. I was also requesting info from staff as to what was required. The PC put in a request and asked for help from staff as they were trying to figure out what to do. Katima told this person to just use Mansa's Templar instead of mine. She never told the player that their choice would decide what templar received the warehouse income and effectively OOCly sabotaged them and set Mansa's templar up to benefit. I didn't know much about Katima at the time nor did I realize that she (like most/all of the staff) was able to be logged in as staff and their character simultaneously. Nor did I realize she was being fast tracked to create her own merchant house because she was staff. Her group IG constantly evaded my Templar and helped Shalooonsh's noble PC set up a plot wherein he won a rare book that was all more of a staff plot. I know this now, I didn't know this then. As for my reason for the complaint --- I was so confused by her actions (I was still realizing just how corrupt all of the staff were). I wanted to assume good intent, so I just closed out the complaint. I now realize that it was just more of gaming the system against me. I think I'm a pretty good strategist but I couldn't out-strategize the way staff were involved, monitoring and playing simultaneously and playing all-powerful sponsored roles. If they wanted players to have fun and explore that seemed secondary to their nobles and PCs just winning consecutively over others without the advantages they had. She seems to have evaded much of the negative attention that developed around that time, but it's so completely crystal clear at this point that all staff around that time cheated past and present tense. It's common knowledge that staff don't abide by their own rules. They play the OOC game harder than anyone. I knew who Shabago was playing multiple times. Drinn/Ourla, Malifaxis/Shalooonsh, Aromit/Can't remember his GBD name but remember his real name - were all meeting up with players, sharing IC info, and then trying to harass anyone for the same damn thing. To this day they still have a thread pinned about how OOC talk ruined a plot - while telling players that staff never took on sponsored roles. Not only were doing that they were staying logged on as staff while playing their sponsored roles and using that info to evade death or even small failures. The game is fixed. It's going to stay fixed. But the worst part of it is the people who were harassed, ostracized, mocked, and generally bullied by staff. There was never any game integrity. And it's just frankly sad to treat people this way. With current developments, it's very clear that staff don't even like their player base and have been on the verge of making Armageddon an invite-only cliche. That's not even a video game. I say more power to them. The only reason they want players at this point is so that they have someone to boss around and play in their sandbox where they win effectively turning players into the unwitting NPCs and them as the protagonists. Are you thinking about Gynesis instead of Katima? I thought it was Gynesis who'd had the MMH/GMH fasttracked? You might be right. I might be getting my lines crossed. Katima is the one I filed the complaint on though, as she seemed to be gaming the system and purposefully trying to derail plotlines I'd started. It's really hard to keep track of all of the staff corruption ya'll. If Katima did indeed play Essana that's quite fucked as again that was a character I was *trying* to create conflict for and if staff were just going to subvert me through OOC means (as Gynesis' character was also clearly doing) then what is the point of playing the highest level leadership role other than to be a staff pawn? Anyway, I don't want to make this about me. The screenshots are hard to contextualize but it's obvious this person is playing the OOC game. They all are. They harass and bully those they feel threatened by. It sucks.
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Post by kiyetdreams on Dec 12, 2023 16:11:17 GMT -5
From what I have been messaged about, they are trying to gloss over Katima's abuse of her position, she is even going as far as to apparently say that I created the screenshots myself, and I am lying. I have no reason to lie. Anyone that knows me or knew me, knows I have ALWAYS tried to help the player base of the game as much as I can, I have always advocated for the game, and given the benefit of the doubt, even when /I/ was trampled on numerous times by staff. The relationship with a lot of Armageddon staff is an abusive one, our thoughts and opinions are constantly shot down and destroyed, to fit their narrative, and we are SO much better than that. The toxicity of the situation is absolutely vile, not only was I abused, lied about, belittled and manipulated, she cannot even admit her wrong doings either, and is trying to worm out of it, more so the producers are trying their hardest to keep it hush and wipe it away so she can keep her position, because she is a builder for them, and they need her to make their sandbox idea work. How ridiculous.
The whole point of my posting this was to share my side of things, something that Armageddon Producers, robbed me of, when they took the side of my abuser. I have always been strong about wanting to be a voice to the player base, and I am /so/ relieved, to no longer be under the toxic gaze of the vile people that run Armageddon. There are some wonderful staff, that really do try, and are in it for the players, but, yet again, here has been another story, of the disgusting and toxic behavior of the long standing ones.
For my own mental well being, I am not going to be commenting any further, I have said what I needed to say and, unlike the staff in question, I do not need to say anymore, because there is no more truth to tell, than what I have already shared. I feel relieved that I have been able to share my side, and feel I can breathe again, knowing I have shared said truth.
I am grateful for the overwhelming support of the players in the Armageddon community that have messaged me, and shared their stories with me, and to those who have extended that this staffer has also done the same thing to them with DM's. Do not be scared to stand up to your abusers and those that have wronged you.
Love to you all <3
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Dec 12, 2023 18:16:23 GMT -5
New staff announcement by Usiku on the GDB:
Wacky. Well, at least Katima's out.
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Post by kiyetdreams on Dec 12, 2023 18:16:43 GMT -5
Ok. Seems I have to speak again, give Usikus absolutely disgusting display. As I said in my first post, I was NOT going to air the issue out, for a good reason. Which is because of the nature of the situation, and more so of the family involved. The fact that Usiku will quite happily post with 0 regard for the family, just to try and cover their ass is filthy.
And I still stand by what I said, I am NOT going to post publicly details of the situation, because I have respect for those involved. However I WILL say, that Katima had been stating viciously about me, that I had help someone stalk her, which I did not, even in the slightest! After being told this I was disgusted and infuriated that such had been spoken about me, understandably, so decided that was it for me with Arm, but I could not, not say anything to this abusive person, and so dm'd that I found it vile what I was being accused of by her, seeing how I was nothing to do with the situation and she was. Which has then led her to run crying at the producers about it, and of COURSE only her side, the manipulative, lying side.
I have suffered with serious depression my entire life, I have reached the point of no return several times, and it is no joke and not something I would EVER joke about. I said in my last response of looking after my own wellbeing, because this has been hell for me, but I was not going to sit quietly whilst I was considered a damn demon, by a demon.
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Patuk
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Post by Patuk on Dec 12, 2023 19:42:35 GMT -5
Did you genuinely tell Katima she was responsible for someone's suicide?
That's a glorious way to get permabanned if so. One of the funnier stories out there.
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Post by gringoose on Dec 12, 2023 20:30:14 GMT -5
Usiku's response was that you're accusing Katima of being responsible for the suicide of another player. Is what Katima was accusing you of was being responsible somehow for this suicide? Or was she accusing you of something else? Suicide is usually a result of someone's internal issues, and I really doubt in this case especially that someone else could be responsible for the suicide of another person through an online game.
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Post by poorimpulsecontrol on Dec 12, 2023 22:14:17 GMT -5
What the fuck? Suicide? Christ, people. What are we doing?
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Patuk
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Post by Patuk on Dec 12, 2023 22:20:29 GMT -5
What the fuck? Suicide? Christ, people. What are we doing? Yeah.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Dec 12, 2023 22:46:50 GMT -5
This reminds me of the cum situation
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Dec 13, 2023 0:00:40 GMT -5
This reminds me of the cum situation what
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Post by picklehead on Dec 13, 2023 0:03:48 GMT -5
This reminds me of the cum situation what Yes.. tell me more about the cum.
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