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Post by kiyetdreams on Dec 11, 2023 15:08:18 GMT -5
Hi, I recently played Double-di and thought I would share my recent tale of my 'departure' from Armageddon, and the manipulated abuse I have suffered from one staffer in particular. I consider myself to be an incredibly sympathetic and caring person, it is in my nature, so, being accused and told I have done something, absolutely vile and horrific, without cause to defend myself? Is about as toxic as these staff can get. Not surprising, given all the horror stories shared across this board as it is. After learning of Katima's insults and disgusting untruths she had been speaking to others, about myself regarding a particular and very sad situation, (shared by someone that wishes to remain anonymous), I decided to cut ties with the game, leave the server, and leave Katima a farewell message before blocking her, that stated that I knew what she had been falsely accusing me of, the things she had been saying about me, and that "all things reveal themselves in the end." She went screaming to the Producers about it, and of course, I was perma banned without being asked my side of things, just deemed psychologically abusive, and pretty much told I was a vile person in the process. Both staff and the player committee are spreading this knowledge around as though I've done something sickening, when I have not, I merely defended myself against accusations and words that were fired against myself, for no reason, with no cause at all. And seeing as I cannot bring this to their attention at all, considering they didn't pause to ask my side of things before screaming me out, I have brought it here. Katima is an abuser. And out of respect for the situation and more so, the family of those involved, I will not air the details here, but interested parties can DM me to find out further details, if they so wish, seeing as apparently people are being told in the Armageddon community, (the player committee and the friends of those in it), of her side of things, painting me out to be a nasty person, and I am unable to defend myself any other way, but given the delicate nature of the situation I am not willing to air it publicly, either. However, I can share what I know within her career of Armageddon, and show both rulebreaking and manipulation displayed by Armageddon's "Senior Storyteller." A title she has claimed they created 'just to keep her'. So it is quite obvious that this staff member will continue with the game, when this new 'seasons' thing comes out, so I thought it only fair you all see the truth of her antics. Such as the following screenshot from my personal DM's. This one being that she popped up on me, a player playing under her, in regards to someone my character was involved with, sharing information about that character, and, also stating that I should not hire them. Suspiciously, her character, a Tuluki Seeker called Astys, was romantically involved with this character within two weeks. Given this character was also part of the bardic circle, one can only question as to why. Yet another clear violation of staff not following their own rules, however.  And again, poking nose in on a conversation and later on asking if a character I had promoted had been there a year, because, why was I promoting them?   Acknowledging she KNOWS what she is doing is wrong, and doesn't want to get in to trouble about it, but, continues to do it anyway?  Lastly, I don't read the GDB I don't have time for it.. 'It would be felt SO BAD if I left.'  As a side note.. admitting it took them a YEAR to clarify new consent rules, after one templar in particular was getting away with seriously rapey behavior for the best part of that year.  |
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Post by mehtastic on Dec 11, 2023 15:41:56 GMT -5
Sorry to see they put you through that. It's gross, an obvious example of abuse and mismanagement on staff's part, and I wish I could say I was surprised. While I don't play the game, I heard lovely things about your character through the people I talk to privately. It sounds like you did your best with what you had.
You should consider publicizing this on the r/MUD subreddit. Staff rarely bow to outside pressure applied from the shadowboard, but very quickly fold when their abuses are outlined in a forum frequented by thousands of mudders a month.
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Post by punished ppurg on Dec 11, 2023 15:42:06 GMT -5
We're still getting "have sex with me or die" templars? Nyr said that isn't rape, because you have the choice to die.
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Post by ask on Dec 11, 2023 16:01:08 GMT -5
Katima was one of the pettiest people I worked with staffside ever. I don't trust her as far as I can throw her.
I'm sorry you experienced this.
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Post by bebop on Dec 11, 2023 21:58:37 GMT -5
I'm sorry that happened to you.
I put in a complaint about Katima not even a few weeks before I made my post calling out staff.
At the time, I was playing a Northern Templar as was Mansa. My character had a strong relationship with another PC whom she was making to go through a small process before opening her warehouse. This was a learning experience for me in the role, and also I was trying to set out some small mild challenges to develop the story before handing over warehouse keys. I was also requesting info from staff as to what was required.
The PC put in a request and asked for help from staff as they were trying to figure out what to do. Katima told this person to just use Mansa's Templar instead of mine. She never told the player that their choice would decide what templar received the warehouse income and effectively OOCly sabotaged them and set Mansa's templar up to benefit.
I didn't know much about Katima at the time nor did I realize that she (like most/all of the staff) was able to be logged in as staff and their character simultaneously. Nor did I realize she was being fast tracked to create her own merchant house because she was staff. Her group IG constantly evaded my Templar and helped Shalooonsh's noble PC set up a plot wherein he won a rare book that was all more of a staff plot. I know this now, I didn't know this then.
As for my reason for the complaint --- I was so confused by her actions (I was still realizing just how corrupt all of the staff were). I wanted to assume good intent, so I just closed out the complaint. I now realize that it was just more of gaming the system against me. I think I'm a pretty good strategist but I couldn't out-strategize the way staff were involved, monitoring and playing simultaneously and playing all-powerful sponsored roles. If they wanted players to have fun and explore that seemed secondary to their nobles and PCs just winning consecutively over others without the advantages they had.
She seems to have evaded much of the negative attention that developed around that time, but it's so completely crystal clear at this point that all staff around that time cheated past and present tense. It's common knowledge that staff don't abide by their own rules. They play the OOC game harder than anyone. I knew who Shabago was playing multiple times. Drinn/Ourla, Malifaxis/Shalooonsh, Aromit/Can't remember his GBD name but remember his real name - were all meeting up with players, sharing IC info, and then trying to harass anyone for the same damn thing. To this day they still have a thread pinned about how OOC talk ruined a plot - while telling players that staff never took on sponsored roles. Not only were doing that they were staying logged on as staff while playing their sponsored roles and using that info to evade death or even small failures.
The game is fixed. It's going to stay fixed. But the worst part of it is the people who were harassed, ostracized, mocked, and generally bullied by staff. There was never any game integrity. And it's just frankly sad to treat people this way. With current developments, it's very clear that staff don't even like their player base and have been on the verge of making Armageddon an invite-only cliche. That's not even a video game.
I say more power to them. The only reason they want players at this point is so that they have someone to boss around and play in their sandbox where they win effectively turning players into the unwitting NPCs and them as the protagonists.
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Post by havenaro on Dec 11, 2023 22:23:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry that happened to you. I put in a complaint about Katima not even a few weeks before I made my post calling out staff. At the time, I was playing a Northern Templar as was Mansa. My character had a strong relationship with another PC whom she was making to go through a small process before opening her warehouse. This was a learning experience for me in the role, and also I was trying to set out some small mild challenges to develop the story before handing over warehouse keys. I was also requesting info from staff as to what was required. The PC put in a request and asked for help from staff as they were trying to figure out what to do. Katima told this person to just use Mansa's Templar instead of mine. She never told the player that their choice would decide what templar received the warehouse income and effectively OOCly sabotaged them and set Mansa's templar up to benefit. I didn't know much about Katima at the time nor did I realize that she (like most/all of the staff) was able to be logged in as staff and their character simultaneously. Nor did I realize she was being fast tracked to create her own merchant house because she was staff. Her group IG constantly evaded my Templar and helped Shalooonsh's noble PC set up a plot wherein he won a rare book that was all more of a staff plot. I know this now, I didn't know this then. As for my reason for the complaint --- I was so confused by her actions (I was still realizing just how corrupt all of the staff were). I wanted to assume good intent, so I just closed out the complaint. I now realize that it was just more of gaming the system against me. I think I'm a pretty good strategist but I couldn't out-strategize the way staff were involved, monitoring and playing simultaneously and playing all-powerful sponsored roles. If they wanted players to have fun and explore that seemed secondary to their nobles and PCs just winning consecutively over others without the advantages they had. She seems to have evaded much of the negative attention that developed around that time, but it's so completely crystal clear at this point that all staff around that time cheated past and present tense. It's common knowledge that staff don't abide by their own rules. They play the OOC game harder than anyone. I knew who Shabago was playing multiple times. Drinn/Ourla, Malifaxis/Shalooonsh, Aromit/Can't remember his GBD name but remember his real name - were all meeting up with players, sharing IC info, and then trying to harass anyone for the same damn thing. To this day they still have a thread pinned about how OOC talk ruined a plot - while telling players that staff never took on sponsored roles. Not only were doing that they were staying logged on as staff while playing their sponsored roles and using that info to evade death or even small failures. The game is fixed. It's going to stay fixed. But the worst part of it is the people who were harassed, ostracized, mocked, and generally bullied by staff. There was never any game integrity. And it's just frankly sad to treat people this way. With current developments, it's very clear that staff don't even like their player base and have been on the verge of making Armageddon an invite-only cliche. That's not even a video game. I say more power to them. The only reason they want players at this point is so that they have someone to boss around and play in their sandbox where they win effectively turning players into the unwitting NPCs and them as the protagonists. Are you thinking about Gynesis instead of Katima? I thought it was Gynesis who'd had the MMH/GMH fasttracked? |
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Post by pinkerdlu on Dec 12, 2023 1:13:28 GMT -5
Double-di is a very interesting character name, I wish I could have had the pleasure of playing with you.
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Post by kiyetdreams on Dec 12, 2023 3:59:29 GMT -5
I'm sorry that happened to you. I put in a complaint about Katima not even a few weeks before I made my post calling out staff. At the time, I was playing a Northern Templar as was Mansa. My character had a strong relationship with another PC whom she was making to go through a small process before opening her warehouse. This was a learning experience for me in the role, and also I was trying to set out some small mild challenges to develop the story before handing over warehouse keys. I was also requesting info from staff as to what was required. The PC put in a request and asked for help from staff as they were trying to figure out what to do. Katima told this person to just use Mansa's Templar instead of mine. She never told the player that their choice would decide what templar received the warehouse income and effectively OOCly sabotaged them and set Mansa's templar up to benefit. I didn't know much about Katima at the time nor did I realize that she (like most/all of the staff) was able to be logged in as staff and their character simultaneously. Nor did I realize she was being fast tracked to create her own merchant house because she was staff. Her group IG constantly evaded my Templar and helped Shalooonsh's noble PC set up a plot wherein he won a rare book that was all more of a staff plot. I know this now, I didn't know this then. As for my reason for the complaint --- I was so confused by her actions (I was still realizing just how corrupt all of the staff were). I wanted to assume good intent, so I just closed out the complaint. I now realize that it was just more of gaming the system against me. I think I'm a pretty good strategist but I couldn't out-strategize the way staff were involved, monitoring and playing simultaneously and playing all-powerful sponsored roles. If they wanted players to have fun and explore that seemed secondary to their nobles and PCs just winning consecutively over others without the advantages they had. She seems to have evaded much of the negative attention that developed around that time, but it's so completely crystal clear at this point that all staff around that time cheated past and present tense. It's common knowledge that staff don't abide by their own rules. They play the OOC game harder than anyone. I knew who Shabago was playing multiple times. Drinn/Ourla, Malifaxis/Shalooonsh, Aromit/Can't remember his GBD name but remember his real name - were all meeting up with players, sharing IC info, and then trying to harass anyone for the same damn thing. To this day they still have a thread pinned about how OOC talk ruined a plot - while telling players that staff never took on sponsored roles. Not only were doing that they were staying logged on as staff while playing their sponsored roles and using that info to evade death or even small failures. The game is fixed. It's going to stay fixed. But the worst part of it is the people who were harassed, ostracized, mocked, and generally bullied by staff. There was never any game integrity. And it's just frankly sad to treat people this way. With current developments, it's very clear that staff don't even like their player base and have been on the verge of making Armageddon an invite-only cliche. That's not even a video game. I say more power to them. The only reason they want players at this point is so that they have someone to boss around and play in their sandbox where they win effectively turning players into the unwitting NPCs and them as the protagonists. Are you thinking about Gynesis instead of Katima? I thought it was Gynesis who'd had the MMH/GMH fasttracked? Katima and Gynesis come as a pair, they seem to always work together. That being said Gyn was Rika the Savvy Spiders leader, at the time, Katima was playing Essana Kadius, (taking another leadership role away from players at the time), who was in strong with Rika and Kitanius, unsurprisingly. Hilarious that the three of them had a huge stake in the copper mining that went on about then. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 4:27:09 GMT -5
The fact that Katima plays Seeker Astys makes some odd things a lot more understandable now. That she abused her staff power because she was jealous over a certain character of mine getting close to her mate, Anna, I have no doubt - it was only after this that I supposedly had "a complaint" despite Anna's player saying she wasn't bothered by anything. But Astys was QUITE bothered - and now I see how Katima was likely watching -everything- going on and decided to arbitrarily punish me because I was messing around with Anna, over whom she was insanely possessive.
Also, I now also know Katima was talking shit about me to players OOCly about stuff she had spied on as staff, not as Astys. Not that I'm at all surprised, but I didn't quite put it all together until after the information from you, Kiyet. So, thanks for that.
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Post by uncoolio on Dec 12, 2023 4:52:21 GMT -5
Imagine pissing away your legitimacy as a staff member in order to win in a sphere that was dead on arrival when it opened back up again. Having not played there since the first six months of Tuluk's return, literally none of these PCs' names have ever been mentioned in any of my subsequent play. They are nothing to me, having had no impact whatsoever. Nobody has ever mentioned their names outside of the context of their incestuous in-group. Goes to show how much staff seems to care about things that matter so little. Their grand accomplishments were not grand enough to matter to anyone not in the clique. Meanwhile, the rest of the game twiddles their collective thumbs wondering when anything might happen that could be worth taking part in.
If you're going to abuse your power in order to win and rise to the top, couldn't you at least have some impact on the wider game in the process? Or was it really enough to just cheat to defeat your immediate competitors? In a game so starved for staff attention, it says so much about their priorities when you hear that this kind of petty crap is what they spent their time on. While they were busy winning locally, the game fell apart around them. Well done!
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Post by Patuk on Dec 12, 2023 4:54:20 GMT -5
Are you thinking about Gynesis instead of Katima? I thought it was Gynesis who'd had the MMH/GMH fasttracked? Katima and Gynesis come as a pair, they seem to always work together. That being said Gyn was Rika the Savvy Spiders leader, at the time, Katima was playing Essana Kadius, (taking another leadership role away from players at the time), who was in strong with Rika and Kitanius, unsurprisingly. Hilarious that the three of them had a huge stake in the copper mining that went on about then. Essana and Katima are not the same person. I don't know who told you this, but odds are they're wrong. As per armageddonmud.boards.net/post/43229/thread, staff worked as hard as they could, bravely volunteering to actively ignore us; it would have taken Katima just-about no effort at all to drop in a shop of her own. In general, the (checks watch) ten months I spent on my PC alongside her were not some kind of hotbed of staff attention, and most of those I spent talking to her player as well. On a Discord account not Katima's. It's entirely possible that it has been some huge act, and that someone took the time to whip up a dud account to talk to their single one (1) employee rather than just message back and forth as in the messages as in the OP, but I find it a lot more likely right now that this is one thing you've been told wrong. |
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Post by mehtastic on Dec 12, 2023 5:41:23 GMT -5
Sounds like Katima's becoming the next Shalooonsh when it comes to... "intercommunication" with the playerbase as well as the type of abuse and blatant rulebreaking she engages in. I have it on good authority that she has been doing stuff like this since she played Deidra-di several years ago. It would be relatively trivial for even the current staff team to draw a line between that behavior several years ago and what is being reported today. Even the screenshots of the Discord messages alone would be enough for producers to rule that Katima broke her staff contract and kick her off the team. The reason they don't is because they tacitly approve.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 8:00:32 GMT -5
Besides Kiyet, I've heard from at least six different people that Katima played Essana over the past year and a half or so. Rarely did these people have much to do with one another (and in fact two had quit playing before Essana suddenly disappeared when staff were no longer allowed to play leader roles). Most likely you did speak through a dud account, Patuk.
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Post by mehtastic on Dec 12, 2023 8:00:51 GMT -5
A link to this thread was posted onto the main Discord server, though unsurprisingly the focus of Usiku's argument has been on the debatable Kadian role, and not the obvious Discord screenshots showing Katima gossiping about an active character in her PC's clan as well as an active Tuluki templar.
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Post by kiyetdreams on Dec 12, 2023 8:09:38 GMT -5
A link to this thread was posted onto the main Discord server, though unsurprisingly the focus of Usiku's argument has been on the debatable Kadian role, and not the obvious Discord screenshots showing Katima gossiping about an active character in her PC's clan as well as an active Tuluki templar. How unsurprising is that? I only mentioned about Essana because I had heard it from several different people, but, honestly, I just wished to clear my name by posting all of this, as the Arm staff declined my ability to do that, and straight away started spreading to the Committee, and them.. their friends in turn, something vile about me, when in actual fact, there was damn good cause for it. If you are going to insult someone, and speak ill of them, at least do it to them, and not to people behind their back, whilst being nice as pie to them. Katima is a disgusting person, for the tricks she pulls, for the way she speaks about people, making baseless accusations when knowing nothing about the people in question. What is worse is she is two faced, a liar, a cheater, and an abuser. And just as we have seen time and time again with the producers, they allow this kind of behavior from their staffing team, and make the player out to be the problem, because it is ALWAYS the players that are the problem in their mind. I know exactly why I was banned without any question to myself, and that is because since their little announcement, I have stood against it, asking why they do not give a shit about their playerbase, and they didn't like that. They do not like anyone that speaks out against them. These are the sort of people that should never be given any kind of power at all, virtually or otherwise, because it gives them a god complex, they get drunk on the power and it makes them think they are BETTER than players, because they hold some virtual power, and it is that reason alone, why they are all toxic idiots in their cesspit of nonsense. |
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