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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 13, 2023 18:10:43 GMT -5
any other visible alternative #DELERAK2023
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 15, 2023 3:34:17 GMT -5
The way the staff are trying to go for business as usual by continuing with sponsored role calls is kinda funny ngl. Couldn't help but notice that there hasn't been an Allanaki noble call yet. Maybe another staffer came up with a "cool idea" for a PC.
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Post by lechuck on Mar 15, 2023 4:08:00 GMT -5
The way the staff are trying to go for business as usual by continuing with sponsored role calls is kinda funny ngl. Couldn't help but notice that there hasn't been an Allanaki noble call yet. Maybe another staffer came up with a "cool idea" for a PC. Maybe no player wants to waste their time in such a dead end role. Staff has completely abandoned all the aspects of the game that would lend relevancy to a noble PC. It's a PvP/moneymaking sandbox these days. Once upon a time, when there was actually conflict between clans, room for political movements, and regular interaction between Allanak and Tuluk, there were reasons to play a noble. Nowadays, Armageddon is in full Text Skyrim mode. There's just nothing you can do as a noble besides pointless paint-by-numbers crap like "organizing" (i.e. arbitrarily tacking your name onto) the annual fucking festival. For the last several years, it has been a revolving door of noble PCs who app in, are seen in public once or twice, and then wither away in their estate as they gradually realize that there is no platform for their PC and no reason whatsoever to play that role.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 15, 2023 10:41:45 GMT -5
mehtastic manage to catch kronibas' post before it got removed from the feedback thread upon its closure?
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 15, 2023 10:47:11 GMT -5
mehtastic manage to catch kronibas' post before it got removed from the feedback thread upon its closure? Yup
Transcription: Well said, Patuk. RE: bleeding players You know, I don’t like the attitude of “oh well, I have played when there were only less than 10 players before, I don’t mind doing it again,” because that attitude is selfish and seems to say, “I’m going to be entertained either way, so it doesn’t matter to me.” Yeah, no, that’s not a good leadership take, I’m afraid. It should be upsetting when 150 YEARS (that’s /years/) worth of time played quit. It should be very upsetting. Players of this game aren’t an infinite resource. I haven’t hung out with ender in almost a decade IRL but was still bummed to read about his issues… because, like… if *anyone* has been a damn stanchion of decent play, in terms of ability to handle a leadership role and everything else, it’s someone like him. That’s not the sort of player we should be throwing our hands up and saying “Oh well” about after losing them. Just because it’s not upsetting to you, specifically and individually, doesn’t mean others feel the same way. Anyway. I’m glad something was done in regards to people being jerks just for the fun of it. As for my own closing thoughts… it wasn’t too long ago that I was playing a character with a suit of silt horror armor as non-Salarri armor was nerfed… only to jump into a Bynner, as training NPCs were taken away during the middle of his Runner year… and while those might have been coincidences, it still seemed kinda targeted. I think being mindful about the effects of changes and how players might perceive them, especially if those changes are resulting in negative impacts to a player that happen with consecutive characters, would help. Otherwise, it’s hard to not assume the worst. Just because you didn’t mean to target multiple PCs of a specific player, consecutively, with multiple coded changes, doesn’t mean we won’t perceive it as such. Which is a little hurtful, especially after best efforts were put forth.
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Post by delerak on Mar 15, 2023 10:52:35 GMT -5
Kronibas makes a good point about losing players, something Arms staff have never shown concern about. The attitude is always "if you don't like it here go somewhere else" or a "we don't need you" attitude. When you've historically had that attitude why should anyone come back? Is there any actual reason to play Arm in 2023?
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Post by Azerbanjani on Mar 15, 2023 12:14:32 GMT -5
" it wasn’t too long ago that I was playing a character with a suit of silt horror armor as non-Salarri armor was nerfed… only to jump into a Bynner, as training NPCs were taken away during the middle of his Runner year… and while those might have been coincidences, it still seemed kinda targeted. I think being mindful about the effects of changes and how players might perceive them, especially if those changes are resulting in negative impacts to a player that happen with consecutive characters, would help."
What does he mean by this? Is he saying he joined the Byn, and they removed the sparring npcs, so he feels like this was an attack on himself?
If so, wtf does the silt horror armor have to do with anything?
I can't tell his point
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Post by terminal on Mar 15, 2023 12:45:23 GMT -5
Kronibas makes a good point about losing players, something Arms staff have never shown concern about. The attitude is always "if you don't like it here go somewhere else" or a "we don't need you" attitude. When you've historically had that attitude why should anyone come back? Is there any actual reason to play Arm in 2023? mudsex in a novel environment
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Post by delerak on Mar 15, 2023 13:38:27 GMT -5
Kronibas makes a good point about losing players, something Arms staff have never shown concern about. The attitude is always "if you don't like it here go somewhere else" or a "we don't need you" attitude. When you've historically had that attitude why should anyone come back? Is there any actual reason to play Arm in 2023? mudsex in a novel environment If you're being serious I got bad news for you..
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Post by picklehead on Mar 15, 2023 14:21:49 GMT -5
" it wasn’t too long ago that I was playing a character with a suit of silt horror armor as non-Salarri armor was nerfed… only to jump into a Bynner, as training NPCs were taken away during the middle of his Runner year… and while those might have been coincidences, it still seemed kinda targeted. I think being mindful about the effects of changes and how players might perceive them, especially if those changes are resulting in negative impacts to a player that happen with consecutive characters, would help." What does he mean by this? Is he saying he joined the Byn, and they removed the sparring npcs, so he feels like this was an attack on himself? If so, wtf does the silt horror armor have to do with anything? I can't tell his point He's saying that he had a character with silt armor and during that time non-Salarri armor was nerfed. Then with his next character he joined the Byn and while he was still a Runner they removed the training NPCs. He got off on a tangent.. Despite the tangent at the end, he made a good point in the opening half of his post about the immense cost of losing players who have invested so much time over the last 20+ years into this game. As he said, that's not something you can easily replace, if at all. Also, why was his post removed? And why was the thread itself closed? "It's been two weeks" ...who gives a fuck, people were still having a discussion. Staff's aversion to people talking about the game boggles my mind. That's -exactly- the kind of shit people are sick of. Let the conversations happen. Whether it's constructive criticism or not, as long as it's not turning into a flame war, what harm is it doing?
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Post by Azerbanjani on Mar 15, 2023 15:04:49 GMT -5
That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Mar 15, 2023 15:14:23 GMT -5
Once upon a time, when there was actually conflict between clans, room for political movements, and regular interaction between Allanak and Tuluk, there were reasons to play a noble. When? 1997? Before Reborn? In my twelve years of playing, I've never seen a political maneuver that had any meaningful, lasting impact on the gameworld. It's always been the same noble houses, the same merchant houses, the same T'zai Byn, the same Kurac. Political maneuvering in this game is killing someone that wouldn't fuck you or sniff your toes, then waiting for someone cooler to hopefully replace them. Nothing has staying power in this game. Things have always, as long as I've played, reverted back to normal. Or they just close the clan temporarily, or the city (Tuluk), or someone stores and they retcon the plot and move on to the next one. I mean - you know this. We all know this. It just blows my mind that the staff or some players still pretend otherwise. Also, why was his post removed? And why was the thread itself closed? "It's been two weeks" ...who gives a fuck, people were still having a discussion. Staff's aversion to people talking about the game boggles my mind. That's -exactly- the kind of shit people are sick of. Let the conversations happen. Whether it's constructive criticism or not, as long as it's not turning into a flame war, what harm is it doing? They can't help themselves. Never learn. Doesn't help that the mod team is a collection of staff team rejects and SJWs.
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Post by baobob on Mar 15, 2023 15:32:29 GMT -5
That particular thread was intended to close sometime on March 15th and that was clearly shared.
Not to undermine anything else said; just that one point was well-telegraphed.
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 16, 2023 5:57:19 GMT -5
Kronibas's post was probably removed because he made one on March 3, and that violates the silly one-post-per-person rule for that specific thread.
As for why anyone is still allowed to remove posts without a mod note, that is another question. Maybe one the community moderators can answer.
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Post by poorimpulsecontrol on Mar 16, 2023 9:36:22 GMT -5
The one-post per person idea was mine, early on in the shitshow.
I made the suggestion because the GDB is bad about 3 people getting into side arguments with giant walls of text so that the topic at hand, even if the arguments are valuable, are lost in the flood of masturbatory posts about full-guild magickers or whatever else gets vomited onto the keyboard. I wanted to see people's opinions laid out in single bites in a dedicated place without someone grabbing onto nitpicky bullshit and derailing the whole thing into the weeds.
Eh. Didn't really pay off.
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