delerak
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Post by delerak on Mar 12, 2023 17:29:23 GMT -5
Can I just point out that everyone here fucking loved perpetuating Armageddon's toxic, broken systems right up until they were the one at the bottom of the heap? Am I the crazy asshole here for pointing this out? Some of these players have explained to me why they had to kill my character in the most inane, patronizing ways and then just dismiss me as butthurt. But now they're the righteous victims? But hol'up. Bebop get's offed in (another) rpt fuckup and WAS OFFERED A NEW SPONSORED ROLE right away. I would have never gotten that if I got offed for less than zero reasons. What am I missing here? It's okay for you to feel this way Amoskun. In fact I made a similar post in another thread: So you're not alone, but the truth of the matter is when you play a game like Arm (or any game you really enjoy) you are invested in it and tend to turn a blind eye to some stuff, especially if it doesn't affect you, I think humans are just like that. I used some pretty strong words myself, hypocrite and selfish. But ultimately it doesn't matter because whats Bebop had to deal with is way worse then what I had to deal with and I still quit over a simple PK by a staff avatar, something I have always been vehemently opposed to. So, no, you're not a crazy asshole for pointing it out, you're just misguided and mistaken in thinking that there's any truth in those thoughts.
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Post by lechuck on Mar 12, 2023 17:52:11 GMT -5
I still don't understand how anyone here has "loved perpetuating Armageddon's toxic systems." We've been highlighting these issues for years. Often this has been the only place where these toxic systems are brought into the light and discussed. I legitimately don't detect a valid point in what amoksun said. Is he saying this has been a haven for abusers and their sympathizers up until recently? Because that couldn't be further from the truth.
And what does Bebop being offered a new role have to do with any of that? How does that even figure into the context of what you're talking about? For the record, it's not unusual for staff to do that when someone loses a character in an objectively shitty way. I recall that after the dwarven griefer episode a few years back, staff offered sponsored roles as compensation to some of the victims. It's something they sometimes do when it's clear that their actions or policies were faulty and a player got screwed over becaues of it. The fact that they don't necessarily do it every time is, well, kind of unrelated to any of what's being talked about here, isn't it?
In short, I don't even get what point amoskun is trying to make. It just sounds like sour grapes.
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delerak
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"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Mar 12, 2023 17:55:10 GMT -5
It just sounds like sour grapes. It is, because I felt the same way. Most people just wanna enjoy the game and when you are enjoying the game that kind of takes precedence over trying to have some sort of moral high ground. Ultimately Arm isn't fun when you know the staff are playing maxxed sorcs and offing your PCs so you leave and let people know. Unfortunately even with that knowledge other players will play and that's fine. I don't judge them for that, go ahead and play. All I can do is choose where my free time goes and Arm isn't it these days.
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amoskun
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Post by amoskun on Mar 12, 2023 18:21:40 GMT -5
I still don't understand how anyone here has "loved perpetuating Armageddon's toxic systems." We've been highlighting these issues for years. Often this has been the only place where these toxic systems are brought into the light and discussed. I legitimately don't detect a valid point in what amoksun said. Is he saying this has been a haven for abusers and their sympathizers up until recently? Because that couldn't be further from the truth. And what does Bebop being offered a new role have to do with any of that? How does that even figure into the context of what you're talking about? For the record, it's not unusual for staff to do that when someone loses a character in an objectively shitty way. I recall that after the dwarven griefer episode a few years back, staff offered sponsored roles as compensation to some of the victims. It's something they sometimes do when it's clear that their actions or policies were faulty and a player got screwed over becaues of it. The fact that they don't necessarily do it every time is, well, kind of unrelated to any of what's being talked about here, isn't it? In short, I don't even get what point amoskun is trying to make. It just sounds like sour grapes. I actually had another post where I was detailing it out but somehow I lost it when I hit send somehow. I also shouldn't have swiped at Bebop the way I did. It was mostly just the brain damage talking.
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baobob
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Post by baobob on Mar 12, 2023 18:48:14 GMT -5
Swipe at anyone about anything you want. Just be ready to get called out. You got facts and can argue your case, do it. Otherwise expect to be told to snort taint if its just stupid.
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bebop
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Post by bebop on Mar 12, 2023 19:01:45 GMT -5
I still don't understand how anyone here has "loved perpetuating Armageddon's toxic systems." We've been highlighting these issues for years. Often this has been the only place where these toxic systems are brought into the light and discussed. I legitimately don't detect a valid point in what amoksun said. Is he saying this has been a haven for abusers and their sympathizers up until recently? Because that couldn't be further from the truth. And what does Bebop being offered a new role have to do with any of that? How does that even figure into the context of what you're talking about? For the record, it's not unusual for staff to do that when someone loses a character in an objectively shitty way. I recall that after the dwarven griefer episode a few years back, staff offered sponsored roles as compensation to some of the victims. It's something they sometimes do when it's clear that their actions or policies were faulty and a player got screwed over becaues of it. The fact that they don't necessarily do it every time is, well, kind of unrelated to any of what's being talked about here, isn't it? In short, I don't even get what point amoskun is trying to make. It just sounds like sour grapes. I actually had another post where I was detailing it out but somehow I lost it when I hit send somehow. I also shouldn't have swiped at Bebop the way I did. It was mostly just the brain damage talking. No worries.
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Post by poorimpulsecontrol on Mar 12, 2023 20:53:57 GMT -5
Snort taint goes directly into the cant.
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delirium
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Post by delirium on Mar 12, 2023 23:12:46 GMT -5
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 13, 2023 4:49:32 GMT -5
One thing worth remembering is that when GDB posters attack this board or the people here, they're basing their attacks off of assumptions that they made years ago while taking staff's opinions for their own and haven't changed since.
- They call this place the "derpboard" implying stupidity of the posters here. Stupid people don't have to be listened to. - Bast (and several others, I'm sure) are convinced this board is a haven for sexual predators, although Shalooonsh's last post here was years ago. - "Cheater board" lingo when code secrets were constantly shared in private for the entirety of Armageddon's existence and this board generally only spoils IC stuff when there is some form of abuse going on. - We have had more producers speak truth here (1) than the GDB has (0). This made some of the old guard very angry, to the point that some players/staff have tried to find out where that producer lived. That resentment still exists even though it's been like 5 years.
You have to understand, when you're dealing with GDB people, you're not dealing with reasonable people. You're dealing with people who can hold a grudge as long as Nessalin, espouse hypocritical criticism like Halaster, and excuse bad behavior as well as Shalooonsh. They have been trained well. Too well. Their programming can be undone, but it will take time.
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 13, 2023 14:28:17 GMT -5
Bungling a GDB upgrade during one of the last days to provide feedback is certainly a choice
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Post by eukelade on Mar 13, 2023 14:46:07 GMT -5
i thought halaster quit what happened
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baobob
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Post by baobob on Mar 13, 2023 15:39:32 GMT -5
I don't know, but I feel that any chance for positive lasting change hinges on his remaining.
I don't see any viable alternatives to lead successful conflict resolution on the current staff roster.
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delirium
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Post by delirium on Mar 13, 2023 15:49:22 GMT -5
I genuinely believe Halaster has good intentions, but good intentions do not good decisions make.
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baobob
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Post by baobob on Mar 13, 2023 16:48:05 GMT -5
I genuinely believe Halaster has good intentions, but good intentions do not good decisions make. Agree. My tentative support is largely based on the awfulness of any other visible alternative. Maybe someone who has so far been quiet or has not previously been caught out as a cheating ass or a problem-denier will arise. I am not hopeful.
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pinkerdlu
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Post by pinkerdlu on Mar 13, 2023 18:07:03 GMT -5
I don't know, but I feel that any chance for positive lasting change hinges on his remaining. I don't see any viable alternatives to lead successful conflict resolution on the current staff roster. I think Shabago still technically being on the team (on leave) is a big red flag, regardless of whether Halaster leaves or stays.
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