delerak
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Post by delerak on Jan 16, 2020 8:50:49 GMT -5
I feel like you're saying stand up for yourself and if people do not respect you for it then leave them. Is that basically right?
I don't post at the GDB because I'll simply be censored, and my thoughts and feelings of the GDB are well documented. Anyone who has been around knows the GDB is meaningless to the spirit of the game itself, in fact it may be detrimental to the integrity of the game. I can play Arm and not post on the GDB in fact historically that is when I enjoy the game the most. I've been posting here for years since it opened up and I would never stop posting here because people generally enjoy my input, videos, and stories. I get what you're saying about people wanting to protect their investment in Arm or their karma. I rarely if ever cared about that aspect. I had the mentality that if I want to play I will with a VPN, now I have the mentality that if Arm staff don't want me around I will gladly walk away. It's simply a shift of mindsets. I used to think I needed Arm, of course that's what a young shy introverted teenager thinks. The social interaction, the adventure, the mystery, the time frame was perfect for me to become enthralled by a game like Arm. Now I don't look at it that way at all, I really don't need Arm, I have many other things in my life now. Quite the opposite I look at Arm as needing me. I try not to worry about bans or losing karma, or what staff think of my PCs or any of that nonsense that I cared so deeply about years ago. Of course I used to think about getting karma, or being viewed in positively by staff or the community but that is pointless. It's the internet there's no way in hell I'm going to convince anyone about anything. Basically if I can't control something I just don't worry about it at all. |
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Post by terminal on Jan 16, 2020 9:16:41 GMT -5
So I went and read shtuff - Not all shtuff, just where I was mentioned: What "very questionable take" am I presenting? Of all the people in the community terminal , I am the first to own ALL my shit. From noob to now. What exactly are you looking for? You're not going to get a satisfactory reply. The genius who registered that sock puppet 18 hours ago to derail this thread just grabbed the most recent thing he or she could find and flung it out there like the lazy shit they are. I doubt they read your thread, let alone this forum. Given boog's first post, terminal is probably a staffer. The idea that this board and the staff are equally guilty of some crime against Arm is absurd. Staff is guilty of staff abuse. We occasionally bring it to light, which makes them feel bad, which they turn around and use as an excuse to perform more abuse. Staff is still the guilty party; there's no coming together or everyone doing their part because most of us quit the game over it. Boo fucking hoo for the unpaid volunteers that they're "being hurt" by having their behavior exposed. Maybe we should all take up the pretense of projecting how open-minded we are by blaming a murder victim for getting blood on the killer's knife. That's certainly not transparent. Any wagers about who on staff was embarrassed so much by boog's first post that they felt the need to come over and shame us with a sock puppet? i have no idea how the fuck to successfully crop quotes, so apologies in advance for the wall of shit.
what reply would be satisfactory? jeshin asked me to provide an example of a whiny piece of shit player who doesn't take responsibility for that. i provided one. if you need another go ahead and take a look at shakes interaction with staff and his two moon character. the dude compared staff having mortal alts to doctors raping their patients - he's a fucking idiot.
i'm not suggesting that THIS BOARD is equally guilty of anything, or that really anyone is guilty of anything. the people that play this game (and that participate in a visible way) appear to be pretty fucking full of themselves and are a huge part of the problem. this group includes players, it includes staff, it includes gdb, it includes jcarter board. i'm not singling out this board in any way, though it's definitely easier to make my case when quite a few of the participants here go above and beyond the cunty call of duty.
i can't believe it's so hard for people to come to terms with the fact that THEY are pieces of shit and are actually part of the fucking problem, and that pointing at someone else and saying "look at them!" doesn't help a goddamn thing.
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Jeshin
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Post by Jeshin on Jan 16, 2020 9:22:30 GMT -5
terminal are you going to address ShaLeah and the fact she responded and is apparently willing to own her own misdeeds. What more do you want? Why is Shaleah a 'piece of shit player who doesn't take responsibility'? What does Shaleah and Shakes have to do to have your blessing for not being THE PROBLEM?
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Jan 16, 2020 9:24:08 GMT -5
i can't believe it's so hard for people to come to terms with the fact that THEY are pieces of shit and are actually part of the fucking problem, and that pointing at someone else and saying "look at them!" doesn't help a goddamn thing.
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Jan 16, 2020 9:27:13 GMT -5
You heard it here, folks, Delerak eats shit for breakfast!
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Post by terminal on Jan 16, 2020 9:28:53 GMT -5
terminal are you going to address ShaLeah and the fact she responded and is apparently willing to own her own misdeeds. What more do you want? Why is Shaleah a 'piece of shit player who doesn't take responsibility'? What does Shaleah and Shakes have to do to have your blessing for not being THE PROBLEM?
no i'm not. i don't want anything except to give the example(s) that you asked for.
they and everyone else could start by not pointing the finger at anyone other than themselves for their shitty time on armageddon. i'm not the arbiter of problem vs not-problem; i just have a wildly different take on the issues with the mud and it seems like it really sets some people off.
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Post by Jeshin on Jan 16, 2020 9:31:31 GMT -5
The point of an example tends to be clarification. All you've done is point at someone (Shaleah) and gone she is a piece of shit player who doesn't take responsibility. Meanwhile she has responded with she's owned every mistake since she's a newb. So where is the line between not taking responsibility and acknowledging a mistake. You appear to be less forgiving than this board which basically went oh Nergal admits he made some mistakes, cool. Thanks Nergal we all really appreciate that. Shaleah says she's made some mistakes and you're still saying she's a baddie.
Once you've made a mistake can you never criticize someone else? Is this just a line of logic that is supposed to lead to no one criticizing anyone, ever and just looking inward to themselves to better the world? Is this... BE THE CHANGE?
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Post by cjfunkmeister on Jan 16, 2020 9:57:26 GMT -5
i'm not suggesting that THIS BOARD is equally guilty of anything, or that really anyone is guilty of anything. the people that play this game (and that participate in a visible way) appear to be pretty fucking full of themselves and are a huge part of the problem. this group includes players, it includes staff, it includes gdb, it includes jcarter board. i'm not singling out this board in any way, though it's definitely easier to make my case when quite a few of the participants here go above and beyond the cunty call of duty. i can't believe it's so hard for people to come to terms with the fact that THEY are pieces of shit and are actually part of the fucking problem, and that pointing at someone else and saying "look at them!" doesn't help a goddamn thing.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Jan 16, 2020 10:06:29 GMT -5
i'm not suggesting that THIS BOARD is equally guilty of anything, or that really anyone is guilty of anything. the people that play this game (and that participate in a visible way) appear to be pretty fucking full of themselves and are a huge part of the problem. this group includes players, it includes staff, it includes gdb, it includes jcarter board. i'm not singling out this board in any way, though it's definitely easier to make my case when quite a few of the participants here go above and beyond the cunty call of duty. i can't believe it's so hard for people to come to terms with the fact that THEY are pieces of shit and are actually part of the fucking problem, and that pointing at someone else and saying "look at them!" doesn't help a goddamn thing.
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Post by jcarter on Jan 16, 2020 10:15:36 GMT -5
i agree with terminalsome of you are shit starters that are part of the problem. it makes things look worse when you crash arm discord and aggressively interrogate staff. what do you expect is going to happen? if you think staff are terrible and disagreeable, why the fuck are you playing the game and engaging with them on discord? |
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Post by ask on Jan 16, 2020 10:27:25 GMT -5
terminal are you going to address ShaLeah and the fact she responded and is apparently willing to own her own misdeeds. What more do you want? Why is Shaleah a 'piece of shit player who doesn't take responsibility'? What does Shaleah and Shakes have to do to have your blessing for not being THE PROBLEM?
no i'm not. i don't want anything except to give the example(s) that you asked for.
they and everyone else could start by not pointing the finger at anyone other than themselves for their shitty time on armageddon. i'm not the arbiter of problem vs not-problem; i just have a wildly different take on the issues with the mud and it seems like it really sets some people off.
So... you just came here to tell her she was shitty. You haven't even mentioned really, or at least I haven't seen, your issues with the MUD. But it's obvious you don't think staff is a part of any issue, beyond they're also, or were, players and the players are all shitty, and that somehow excuses staff from any further responsibility of not being shitty. :/ |
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Post by sirra on Jan 16, 2020 10:35:34 GMT -5
i'm not suggesting that THIS BOARD is equally guilty of anything, or that really anyone is guilty of anything. the people that play this game (and that participate in a visible way) appear to be pretty fucking full of themselves and are a huge part of the problem. this group includes players, it includes staff, it includes gdb, it includes jcarter board. i'm not singling out this board in any way, though it's definitely easier to make my case when quite a few of the participants here go above and beyond the cunty call of duty. i can't believe it's so hard for people to come to terms with the fact that THEY are pieces of shit and are actually part of the fucking problem, and that pointing at someone else and saying "look at them!" doesn't help a goddamn thing.
Bolded for motherfucking truth. Except I would add an asterisk and fine print that says 'but it mostly includes staff, who have 99% of the power, and thus possess an exponential ability to make a difference for good or ill - all the rest of us can do is offer our opinions on a censored forum, or else turn to an uncensored forum, and only being able to safely voice our opinions on an uncensored forum, doesn't necessarily give us moral equivalence to the staffer that drove us here, because who would want to hang out with jcarter, if the original GDB was a more free vehicle for debate and less of a circle jerk echo chamber. If you're telling me that I have to decide between the freedom to post what I want, but it has to come with people revealing secrets that all staff alts have known for fifteen+ years, then so be it.' Something like that. Where Armageddon erred was in deciding the vast gap of IC and OOC info that it could trust its storytellers with, vs its general playerbase. When both had the same basic maturity level, and have always had such. |
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Post by terminal on Jan 16, 2020 10:36:33 GMT -5
no i'm not. i don't want anything except to give the example(s) that you asked for.
they and everyone else could start by not pointing the finger at anyone other than themselves for their shitty time on armageddon. i'm not the arbiter of problem vs not-problem; i just have a wildly different take on the issues with the mud and it seems like it really sets some people off.
So... you just came here to tell her she was shitty. You haven't even mentioned really, or at least I haven't seen, your issues with the MUD. But it's obvious you don't think staff is a part of any issue, beyond they're also, or were, players and the players are all shitty, and that somehow excuses staff from any further responsibility of not being shitty. :/ i don't really have any issues with the mud. it's pretty smooth sailing for me. it has changed substantially since i started playing but it's still recognizable and i still enjoy it. i also don't speak to people ooc so i don't get inundated with one-sided anecdotes about how shalooonsh fingerblasted someone's ic girlfriend and ruined their plot to go back in time and finally pk pearl once and for all.
i think everyone is part of the issue, and that everyone should either do their part to remedy that or fuck off. ticking names off the neverending list of scapegoats does nothing.
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Post by ask on Jan 16, 2020 10:41:27 GMT -5
I think it does when it's obvious they've no desire to change. We should hold staff accountable because they're the only ones who have the capabilities to change the game.
I was just like you for a long time at Armageddon. I didn't talk to people OOCly about the game. I didn't want it to ruin my experience. And it was pretty smooth sailing for me, too. So, I guess I find it strange that the only time I ended up having any issues at all is when I was staff. :/
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Post by mehtastic on Jan 16, 2020 10:46:49 GMT -5
"Everyone is part of the issue" is a useless sentiment because it ignores the relative amount of the issue each person is a part of. There isn't such a thing as equal responsibility between staff and players right now because staff have set up a dynamic where they wield power over the game. A player's only effective recourse to take part in fixing the problem is to either join staff and somehow get all your reform ideas passed from within, or leave the game entirely. Either run the game or don't let it run you.
That said it's unproductive and useless to go on the Arm discord and start yelling at staff or to go on the GDB and start yelling at staff. Staff control those places and what can or can't be said there. Those places are not town hall meetings. The fact that doing that gets you banned from those places should be enough of a sign that you have no power as a player to change the game's culture, only to accept it or abandon it.
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