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Post by jcarter on Jan 15, 2020 17:40:41 GMT -5
Jeshin mentioned how I'm the only one to shit at Nergal and well, I actually stand by that. After Nergal's departure, a lot of these things improved. Staff is limited to 2 apps per year like any other. So they cant play back to back sorcs and psies. There was once a point when Anaiah went through 3 or 4 sorcs/psies in a span of 2 months. She wasnt abusive specifically, she just died easy. Needless to say she didnt feel like there is anything wrong with this then. I have not been staff since the creation of these boards. you said you haven't been on staff for over 7 years. how is it you have this knowledge of how many, what guild, and what duration characters anaiah went through? Things like when you animated a mul who one shot killed half of the player made clan in the middle of Hathors. What was going through your mind? Why did you do this? Why did you think that was a proper course of action? When a sorcerer (ran by Blaze) gathered self inside a tent that was described as empty, with no soldiers outside. The soldiers were animated to gather closer in and attack the sorcerer, killing him. Do you still believe this was an adequate response? When a player ran inside the cavern where an Ankheg lived, only to run out, then come back to try again, and escape when shit got sour. The ankheg was transferred past the exit of the cavern which was too small for an ankheg to fit in (Ankheg was theoretically imprisoned there), so he could catch that character. Do you believe this was an adequate course of action? how is it you know what happened with blaze's sorcerer, the positions and the actions of the soldiers? how is it know that an ankheg was literally transferred? |
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Post by hates2 on Jan 15, 2020 17:51:17 GMT -5
The reason Nergal has been treated fairly is not because he came here talking ill about other staff but because he came in and apologized. One of the best measures of being a human is how you take someone else's apology. Most people aren't horrible people, even the people who play(ed) Arm and post here, so not everyone is just out to kick him while he's down. Jeshin's point that Qwerty the only one who "shit at" Nergal is he's the outlier who's willing to attack someone for coming back and saying they are sorry.
Nergal obviously isn't around the game anymore so his apology seems genuine to everyone, including me. He didn't have to come here to do this, he probably did because of some sort of guilt he's been carrying around and this place gives him a place to spell it all out (how long would his post have survived on the GDB?). He's not obliged to delve deeply into his own short comings just because he was willing to say he's sorry about them. Expecting that is just unreasonable, Qwerty.
So if Shalooonsh posted here just talking ill about other staffers, I'm sure he'd face a lot of kickback.
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Post by shakes on Jan 15, 2020 17:57:57 GMT -5
Everyone likes closure. Even staff.
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Post by ask on Jan 15, 2020 18:00:33 GMT -5
Qwerty -- I can't tag you directly right now -- Nergal *was* the only active producer for a while in terms of workload, but that didn't mean he could make decisions alone. As a former staffer, you would know that. :/ It's not like he had free reign to do as he wished. He just had to do the extra work.
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on Jan 15, 2020 18:01:29 GMT -5
yea holy fuck im an asshole and even im like, that's cool of nergal to come to this board and apologize for dick things in the past. didn't have to do it didn't have to post anything else for it to be cool of him to do.
qwerty the edge lord go 2 therapy or something mang
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Post by anaiahlation on Jan 15, 2020 19:01:09 GMT -5
Anaiah played one psionicist ever because Anaiah never found the role of a psionicist particularly appealing. Yes it was short-lived.
Anaiah played a few short lived sorcerers in 2010, it's true folks! If you were one of the AoD PC's Lyvrenxice brought out to try and trap a sorcerer in the water cave and the sorcerer narrowly escaped the attack (with 2 hp!), yep, that was me. 2 hr played sorcerer thought it might be fun to offer a Templar the possibility to either attack and try to kill or create a corrupt alliance with a newbie sorcerer.
One of the others holed up near Cenyr and led AoD on a merry goose chase with the long defunct camp in the cave near it set up with a bunch of magickal ginkas mashed into jam so they wouldn't disappear and then smeared all over the ground like a bloody grin so they found a bloody grin and no sorcerer. Think that one was killed by Lusts for Blood.
I do love the way it was written about 'not abusive specifically, just short lived', when the entire purpose of all but one of them was to give other players something to do, so like... Yeah, they were short lived, they were created to serve as story for other people and did.
See, the difference is, when /I/ was staff, there was not a /cap/ on these roles, so please, feel free to act like it's the same thing dude.
Anything to try and deflect, right? Deflect and sew dissent?
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Post by shakes on Jan 15, 2020 20:05:51 GMT -5
That's almost like an NPC role, Aniah. Specifically created to build content for players to have shit to do.
I have no real problem with that.
But the stories I've heard are radically different.
And you know what? After my blowup on Discord earlier at staff, a number of people contacted me on Discord to tell me even MORE horror stories but then say, "but I'm still playing so please don't out me.".
C'mon, staff.
Fix your game. Whether you realize it or not, you DO have accountability to players who WILL vote with their feet. I know 5 people now who have quit TODAY over this. We'll see how many stay gone. It's hard to leave Armageddon, even when you get consistently shit on.
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Post by delerak on Jan 15, 2020 20:38:39 GMT -5
That's almost like an NPC role, Aniah. Specifically created to build content for players to have shit to do. I have no real problem with that. But the stories I've heard are radically different. And you know what? After my blowup on Discord earlier at staff, a number of people contacted me on Discord to tell me even MORE horror stories but then say, "but I'm still playing so please don't out me.". C'mon, staff. Fix your game. Whether you realize it or not, you DO have accountability to players who WILL vote with their feet. I know 5 people now who have quit TODAY over this. We'll see how many stay gone. It's hard to leave Armageddon, even when you get consistently shit on. I never understood this whole "outing" shit. I mean I just never gave a fuck about that stuff and it's really not beneficial to be PMing people in secret and then saying don't tell anyone. Just openly speak your mind and if you're retaliated against, the game isn't worth playing then. You get off easy. You get to speak your mind and you can spend your free time doing something else instead of playing a game where you're punished for trying to voice your opinions. |
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Post by shakes on Jan 15, 2020 20:45:45 GMT -5
I agree, but I don't tell other people's shit. That's just a personal thing. Notice how open I've been about my OWN shit.  |
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Post by delerak on Jan 15, 2020 21:10:02 GMT -5
I agree, but I don't tell other people's shit. That's just a personal thing. Notice how open I've been about my OWN shit. Nah I don't mean from your point. I would never just betray someone who confides in me but from their point of view I don't really get that. I dunno man if I'm upset I don't bottle that shit in I have to let it out. I mean I made fucking videos because I had an opinion and wanted to have a voice. That's just how I am I guess. I understand why in the past if players are punished with karma docking but his day an age that seems to be less of a concern so just voice your opinion man. |
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Post by shakes on Jan 15, 2020 21:27:06 GMT -5
Well, I wish I was less of a hothead about it because people don't really listen when I lose my shit. But then again ... I lose my shit because they're not really listening. Or they're telling me I'm powerless.
I'm fucking Don Quixote about shit sometimes. Any injustice, perceived or real, I'm saddling up and headed for it at full gallop.
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Post by sirra on Jan 15, 2020 21:33:47 GMT -5
It was nice to see Brokkr and Seidhr get called out as the shits they are. The kind've stuff that players (like myself) have always suspected, but which there was rarely direct confirmation of. Those guys can get fucked forever. I applied for staff once. I was perfectly willing to give up playing a PC. They didn't bring that up because I never even got an interview, but my assumption when I applied was that I would never play a PC again unless I stored my imm. I've been playing this game for a long time and I have no idea how they recruit for staff. My gut feeling is this: No one gets on staff by applying for it in a proactive manner. You're invited to be on staff 90% of the time. Whether that's because they liked your RP or interactions (Adhira with Boog here) or they know you IRL or met you at an APM and hit it off. Whatever. There's any number of reasons but it is definitely looked at as some sort of exclusive club. In reality it's not, in fact I feel bad for a lot of the current staff at Arm. It's a thankless job, rarely worth it over time. I got my taste when I worked on Darksun. Trying to manage people volunteering their time for an outdated game genre was way above my paygrade at the time. Getting selected for staff works like this: 1) Filter which players have never branched an advanced weapon skill. (branching an advanced weapon or showing any knowledge of combat code is an automatic disqualify) 2) Filter which of those players remaining have never PK'd a staff alt. (Obviously) 3) Filter which of those players receive the most consistent kudos, from the batch remaining. (Note, many who receive kudos are disqualified by #1 and #2 respectively) 4) Tiebreaker: Filter which of those players remaining have TS'd a staff alt. (Obviously) 5) Adhira's cats take a vote. That's it. |
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Post by hates2 on Jan 15, 2020 22:46:33 GMT -5
I never understood this whole "outing" shit. I mean I just never gave a fuck about that stuff and it's really not beneficial to be PMing people in secret and then saying don't tell anyone. Just openly speak your mind and if you're retaliated against, the game isn't worth playing then. You get off easy. You get to speak your mind and you can spend your free time doing something else instead of playing a game where you're punished for trying to voice your opinions. You don't understand why people might be shy, not desiring conflict, valuing something else more than the thing in front of them, that sort of thing? You obviously do care a bit, Delerak, or you'd be posting on the GDB. But none of us see you speaking your mind there. But I don't fault you for not posting! You're enjoying Armageddon and know doing what you just said above would lead you to not being able to enjoy it anymore. I felt the same way when I had to delete my account here because Nergal told me to delete here or be banned from the game. I enjoyed playing more than posting here or making a stand. Was I wrong? I don't know really, I think in many years I'll still remember that character and the fun stuff. But I also do feel like I had an opportunity to stand up against something that was clearly wrong and I did not take it. I talked it all out with Nergal, though, and life will move on.
I just want you to see, Delerak, that you're not walking the talk you said above. But that it's alright! Some people are afraid of losing something they enjoy, that's not basically horrible. You like being free to speak your mind, also not horrible.
I feel like you're saying stand up for yourself and if people do not respect you for it then leave them. Is that basically right?
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Post by ShaLeah on Jan 15, 2020 23:09:57 GMT -5
It's true. If Shalooonsh tomorrow would post here and start talking ill of staff, these forums would welcome him with open eyes and he'd become the "good guy" again. Boy are you stupider than I thought. Wow. You are SO, so wrong. |
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Post by muddy on Jan 16, 2020 0:17:31 GMT -5
If Nyr isn't qwerty. It would be interesting for him to post a tell all. I always figured it was him that busted me 2013'ish on here. Maybe not. I never paid much attention back then just tried to enjoy the game.
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