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Post by shakes on Jan 15, 2020 21:55:00 GMT -5
I laid it out for them earlier in Discord, Sirra.
I got a direct and clear answer from Brokkr and Rathustra.
Rathustra Today at 12:02 PM I mean, I'm not going to mince words: Why would I be accountable to players?
Very well. You make good sandwiches, Rathustra, but I'm taking my sandwich business to some other shop.
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Post by gdbjohn on Jan 15, 2020 22:49:34 GMT -5
To Nergal:
I had little to no interaction with you (that I was aware of) until you tried to unilaterally declare the word necker was too close to a RL n word and created a thread on the GDB as a paper-thin shield to justify your decision. That unilateral action, along with your subsequent blow up at me for calling you out for your bullshit, caused me to lose a lot of trust in staff, something I actually had since I'd begun gaming. I accept your apology. But I honestly believe you made the game worse for that. I think you coming here to admit your past faults is a good thing to do and I hope it has helped you move on. But I don't think airing other people's dirty laundry is actually of any benefit for the game. If you're doing it out of some belief that you are helping the game. If you're doing it because you feel like it, then go nuts. That is one of the purposes of this forum after all. With all that said, I am sorry that you snapped and were not in a good place mentally. I genuinely mean that. As someone who has depression, I know how bad things can get and I have nothing but sympathy for anyone who is depressed or has experienced being depressed. I am genuinely happy to hear that you're doing better.
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Post by sirra on Jan 15, 2020 22:52:23 GMT -5
To Nergal:
I had little to no interaction with you (that I was aware of) until you tried to unilaterally declare the word necker was too close to a RL n word and created a thread on the GDB as a paper-thin shield to justify your decision. That unilateral action, along with your subsequent blow up at me for calling you out for your bullshit, caused me to lose a lot of trust in staff, something I actually had since I'd begun gaming. I accept your apology. But I honestly believe you made the game worse for that. I think you coming here to admit your past faults is a good thing to do and I hope it has helped you move on. But I don't think airing other people's dirty laundry is actually of any benefit for the game. If you're doing it out of some belief that you are helping the game. If you're doing it because you feel like it, then go nuts. That is one of the purposes of this forum after all. With all that said, I am sorry that you snapped and were not in a good place mentally. I genuinely mean that. As someone who has depression, I know how bad things can get and I have nothing but sympathy for anyone who is depressed or has experienced being depressed. I am genuinely happy to hear that you're doing better. I forgot the necker thing. But while I feel similar sentiments, I don't think Nergal is under any obligation whatsoever to avoid shining a light on unethical staff practices.
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Post by gdbjohn on Jan 15, 2020 22:54:49 GMT -5
But given the dirty laundry that has been aired, I do have a question for Nergal that I would appreciate him answering. A bit of backstory to reduce any speculation: For a short while I was a staff member in Armageddon. I never did anything of consequence. None of you will remember me. A lot of people currently playing the game wouldn't have even been around when I was a staff member. I was the same as a staff member as I have been as a player: truly inconsequential with never having achieved anything in my time playing the game (other than entertaining myself).
When I was on staff, which was before Nergal's time, there was a staff contract that we were all meant to follow and I am 100% convinced that one of the items on that contract prohibited you from watching players engage in mudsex. Was that still the case when you were on staff and was it ever actually enforced?
I'm guessing the answer is no to either one, or both, questions. But I did want to ask.
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Post by gdbjohn on Jan 15, 2020 23:01:37 GMT -5
But while I feel similar sentiments, I don't think Nergal is under any obligation whatsoever to avoid shining a light on unethical staff practices. I'm not saying he is under any such obligation. I'm saying IF he's doing it because he thinks it improve the game, then I think he is wrong. I think the only way to try to build up trust is for those who've done the wrong thing to admit their actions and admit they were wrong and/or for those people to be removed from staff.
Lots of people come here to talk about the good times, or the bad times, not because they want to improve the game but because they feel like it. If Nergal doesn't give a shit about Armageddon and doesn't care if it lives or dies (which is how I would feel if I ever moved on from the game) then he should feel free to keep posting whatever he wants. But if he thinks these further posts about other staff or other players will improve the game, then I'm saying he should reconsider.
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Post by muddy on Jan 15, 2020 23:35:11 GMT -5
The banning "Necker" thing was ridiculous. The IRL trauma of racial slang sucks but using a non-human racial slang that evokes emotional responses IG, IC is a great tool of immersion in a scene. Stupid PC cops.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 23:45:29 GMT -5
I laid it out for them earlier in Discord, Sirra. I got a direct and clear answer from Brokkr and Rathustra. Rathustra Today at 12:02 PM I mean, I'm not going to mince words: Why would I be accountable to players? Very well. You make good sandwiches, Rathustra, but I'm taking my sandwich business to some other shop. What happened at discord? Wanna post the conversation?
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Post by jkarr on Jan 15, 2020 23:48:26 GMT -5
theres nothing quite like projecting ur feelings abt a completely ic elven slur onto a game that neither needs it nor ur anxiety abt how it makes u feel abt a rl slur
if there are any things staff can do to try and placate a dwindling pbase that or any other attempt to soften or cushion the theme to make it more palatable to ppl too immature or lazy to separate ooc and ic should be the utter last of them
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Post by shakes on Jan 15, 2020 23:49:48 GMT -5
Heh. No?
It's there unless one of them deleted it. It wasn't world shattering or anything. I didn't get any quality zingers. I asked a real question and got real damn answers. Go, Brokkr, go.
I'm binge watching Rick and Morty. I can't be arsed to search through a Discord channel and cut and paste for twenty minutes. I can't be arsed, Qwerty! I can't be arsed.
It's also well into my 'medicinal hour' and I'm enjoying some quality herb.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 23:55:34 GMT -5
Shrug. Okey. I figured it was simpler for you somehow. If it's too difficult to do it, don't worry about it. I definitely am too lazy to look for it as well.
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Post by shakes on Jan 15, 2020 23:59:21 GMT -5
theres nothing quite like projecting ur feelings abt a completely ic elven slur onto a game that neither needs it nor ur anxiety abt how it makes u feel abt a rl slur if there are any things staff can do to try and placate a dwindling pbase that or any other attempt to soften or cushion the theme to make it more palatable to ppl too immature or lazy to separate ooc and ic should be the utter last of them It was a stupid bit of social justice posturing generally done by a specific type of asshat who wants to show how nice and woke they are by embracing large, metaphorical and relatively intangible issues instead of owning up to how they're the same piece of shit who is prone to yelling at the barista for getting their triple nipple vanilla caramel swirl double foam organic cruelty-free latte with a re-usable straw they brought from home so as not to kill the sea turtles. Stop being such little bitches, sea turtles. And stop stealing my bait when I go fishing. One of these days one of you fat green fuckers are going to bite into my hook when nobody is looking and I'm going to eat your turtle-ass on the halfshell right there on the fucking beach. That'll teach you to get straws banned. Don't fuck with a species with thumbs, is what I'm saying. Fucking reptile losers.
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Post by shakes on Jan 16, 2020 0:04:48 GMT -5
Shrug. Okey. I figured it was simpler for you somehow. If it's too difficult to do it, don't worry about it. I definitely am too lazy to look for it as well. I don't normally follow the channel. It's filled with staff posting pictures of baby animals or Shalooonsh strutting around like he's the biggest turd in the bowl and can't be flushed. Mixed in with a bunch of cunts giving each other high fives and stroking staff egos with constant praises for their voluntarism, like staff is standing there with a bowl of karma points ready to pin some on the biggest cocksucker. Someone told me, "Hey, this guy just quit publicly. Go look at the Discord." I said, "Gimme the link, bro." And he didn't so I had to fucking Google it, and then I signed in, had to wait like 20 fucking minutes before it would let me post anything, and then I flat out asked Brokker about staff policies regarding PC alts. And he answered. It led to a question someone else had about staff accountability and the Gang of Three producers chimed in with "fuck accountability, we don't answer to you losers. Here's a picture of a baby alpaca. Now suck it." Or something along those lines.
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Post by shakes on Jan 16, 2020 0:11:45 GMT -5
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Post by jkarr on Jan 16, 2020 0:14:11 GMT -5
u had me at the bowl
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jan 16, 2020 2:52:54 GMT -5
Pretty sure you smoked a bowl of oregano laced with meth, shakes. Damn man. @qwerty - This guy is definitely nergal. When I read the Discord it struck me how fast I was reminded he played Raleris. Like jkarr, I vary my writing style and vocabulary from site to site so people won't automatically recognize me. Nergal writes conversationally the same way he conversed as Raleris. I would have been impressed if someone was willing to imitate his style for several hours in live chat, but no, he's him. nergal, you mentioned you burned out on MUDing because of Arm. I can certainly relate. It hasn't burned me out on game design though. We have numerous threads on how Arm could have been improved, or how to make a MUD without driving off a cliff and killing all your fucking players in the process like Arm does, and so on. You may want to give them a read and toss out a thought or two before you bail on the forum forever.
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