najdorf
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Post by najdorf on Jan 6, 2020 5:58:54 GMT -5
Are we being too harsh on staff? I had been attacking rightfully at shalooons here and revealing things about game and i have never been banned or karma removed or warned by staff. Last i checked my account is still active? Perhaps they dont care and let us speak freely here?
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Post by sirra on Jan 6, 2020 6:13:17 GMT -5
Well. For a while they were trying to use tracking pixels in a signature or whatever to match IPs between this board and the GDB. So. That was a bit lame.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Jan 6, 2020 6:18:42 GMT -5
Are we being too harsh on staff? hell no I had been attacking rightfully at shalooons here and revealing things about game and i have never been banned or karma removed or warned by staff. during the first couple or so yrs of this board not only did they do that they literally went over here to sniff out who was posting here before targeting those accts with threats or bannign them Last i checked my account is still active? Perhaps they dont care and let us speak freely here? no when they realized everyone came here for the goods wouldnt stop and kept bleeding out players they went from purge on sight to punish ppl with an active presence then went to only punish ppl who were not supportive of arm then where it is now which is only punish ppl who are breaking game rules or doing what they think is actively smearing the game najdorf iirc u posted here before u returned to the game and by the time u started playing again the rules had loosened up so they didnt bother targeting u
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Post by najdorf on Jan 6, 2020 6:21:05 GMT -5
I thought i was being ignored by staff, that would be the most devestating treatment
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najdorf
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Post by najdorf on Jan 6, 2020 6:25:03 GMT -5
Which means, as of now, this platform is a perfectly legit and democratic place approved by staff (indirectly) since there are no consequences to players.
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Post by jkarr on Jan 6, 2020 6:30:27 GMT -5
Which means, as of now, this platform is a perfectly legit and democratic place approved by staff (indirectly) since there are no consequences to players. lol more like their hands are fucking tied after all their slimy efforts to punish their own countrymen for daring to talk to outsiders about life in north korea somewhere that they cant control the narrative backfired and they cant do shit else now but smile nod and fucking take it if they dont want lose even more of their players and look shittier than they already do
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Post by mehtastic on Jan 6, 2020 7:03:59 GMT -5
If there is an overarching theme of Armageddon's PR efforts over the past several years, it's that the staff body hates a message they can't control. The IP tracking that occurred a few years back is a good example of this, and it continued under a couple iterations of Producer turnover, so no one member of staff is responsible for it, but it was a shared effort that the upper echelons of the staff body endorsed over a few years. The staff don't approve of this board and they never will. The broader player community at least makes a show of disapproval as well. Players are regularly shunned for posting here in a manner that identifies them. And the shadowboard isn't the only place where the staff can't control the message, of course: places like Reddit and TMC are useful for discussing the somewhat unique brand of power-tripping that exists on the Armageddon staff.
Like jkarr said, staff don't really have a choice but to accept that we will criticize them here. But they can also choose not to read it themselves. The fact that they have, in the past, seemed to be hyper-aware of our criticisms is a testament to the fact that they read these boards on a somewhat regular basis or are at least made aware of what's discussed here. I imagine anyone who posts here that takes the staff line 99.9% of the time probably also briefs staff on what's said here, or is at least able to do so. And instead of addressing those criticisms, staff seem content to play the victim. They look at reviews of the game and call them fake instead of addressing the possibility that those reviews contain real concerns. Many of them seem convinced that all we do here is plot ways to destroy the game, but the truth is far more boring.
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Post by lechuck on Jan 6, 2020 8:30:16 GMT -5
I know several players who have been told to stop posting here. It's not officially against the rules, but they at least used to give people a mafiaesque "nice karma, it would be a shame if something happened to it" kind of deal. If you're known to be a shadowboarder, you will definitely be persona non grata. We've seen logs of staff having stern talks with players about coming here. You won't be banned outright, but it will land you in the black book.
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Post by delerak on Jan 6, 2020 8:37:48 GMT -5
I know several players who have been told to stop posting here. It's not officially against the rules, but they at least used to give people a mafiaesque "nice karma, it would be a shame if something happened to it" kind of deal. If you're known to be a shadowboarder, you will definitely be persona non grata. We've seen logs of staff having stern talks with players about coming here. You won't be banned outright, but it will land you in the black book. I've never received maltreatment for posting here and I was the first member of these boards and have 1500+ posts. I just recently received karma as well. I can't speak for everyone but it seems that it is taken on a case-by-case basis. For example, I never discuss mechanics, code or recent IC happenings within the past year. All 3 of these will probably get you banned or at the very least you will be karma docked. If you don't care about the integrity of the game are posting IC info and hurling every insult in the book at staff? You reap what you sow and got what you deserved. Those that were banned in the past simply for posting here? Yeah that's fucking stupid and appears to be long gone.
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Post by Jeshin on Jan 6, 2020 8:42:13 GMT -5
I was banned years after I quit and publicly accused of supporting hacking for posting here. Red Ranger was too but his ban was lifted. I didn’t ask for mine to be lifted I just wanted producer confirmation about the cause. This is when Nergal was on staff. It used to be tracked on TMC but after redoing their site think it’s all gone.
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Post by mehtastic on Jan 6, 2020 9:01:53 GMT -5
Discussing mechanics was never as big of an issue as discussing recent IC happenings. I leaked the entire codebase and I was not banned from the game last I checked - and I got IP sniffed here right after that code leak post. Being critical of the game strikes me as a bigger concern to the producers. Why would they ban you from the game if you're pushing the line that they're doing a fine job, and it's posting here that is actually what's destroying the game?
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Post by lechuck on Jan 6, 2020 9:41:42 GMT -5
In some ways, it reminds me a lot of the WoW Classic situation, except for the part where Blizzard actually ended up making Classic.
WoW used to be the definitive ruler of the MMORPG scene, much as Armageddon was the flagship of RPIs. Then Blizzard gradually changed the game over the years, generally for the worse. "Shadow" communities popped up and made their own illegal servers running earlier versions of the game, and Blizzard were staunchly against it. They tried to shut these projects down, sometimes succesfully. When prompted about making their own legacy version of the game to appeal to that crowd, executive producer J. Allen Brack said of the community's apparent desire for a return to the game's roots: "You think you do, but you don't." It has since turned into a meme as WoW: Classic is now the most populous subscription-based MMORPG on the market, featuring a bigger playerbase than the faltering modern version of the game.
Was every change made to WoW over the years objectively bad? Of course not; but overall, it steered things in a negative direction that alienated players and reduced the appeal of the game. Much the same has happened to Armageddon. In an effort to adapt to an aging playerbase, staff made a number of changes that led to an impoverished game (this is a generous assumption--one might also posit that these changes stem from staff laziness), resulting in a shadow of its former self as much of what made Armageddon what it was is now lost. The stories, the wide variety of character types, the unique and memorable accomplishments of individual characters, these things are just no longer really a thing. If you confront staff about this, they'll give you an answer similar to what J. Allen Brack gave to the WoW community; but if they actually did return to the way the game used to be run, I wonder if it wouldn't recapture at least some of the magic as players approach the game with renewed enthusiasm.
One thing is at least clear in my mind: I would rather play the Armageddon that existed fifteen years ago than the one we've got today.
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Post by jcarter on Jan 6, 2020 10:32:05 GMT -5
here's an example -- armageddonmud.boards.net/thread/827/jacks-banned-threada few people have PMed me over the early years of the board telling me they got caught, and either warned with the ultimatum to stop posting or else or they were banned. i have copies of those PMs but will let people speak up if they want. i don't think it's happened though for a few years though. nyr and nergal were the people sending out e-mails and threatening posters. there are also people on the boards who speak openly with obvious identities, and have posted IC info and haven't faced any repercussions during the same time period, so who knows. @qwerty posted here then became staff and continues to post IC things here which got @anaiahalation banned but staff doesn't seem to care.
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Post by mehtastic on Jan 6, 2020 11:17:48 GMT -5
I would be surprised if staff were still banning people for posting here. That's just a bad look, especially when you nail someone who happened to be using a VPN or something. I would assume they've shifted over to blacklisting people, shunning people, and leaving account notes for criticizing the game. If you want to punish people for disagreeing with you, it's much less embarrassing to do it quietly and with social pressure rather than just kicking people off your game. Especially when the player stats are the way they are, staff can't afford to lose many more of their longtime players.
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Post by gloryhound on Jan 6, 2020 11:27:05 GMT -5
My guess is that people known to be on here are more or less put on a black list and won't receive positive staff support/attention.
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