jenki
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Post by jenki on Jan 6, 2020 11:37:24 GMT -5
I remember getting banned for being an active member on this board very vividly.
A few years back, it was late but I decided to log in. that it was a good idea to log Lucktan, my first raider character with the Crimson Wind. Back then they were just starting out, and trying to make a name for themselves. They didn't have any clan hideout or any custom silt skimmer or anything except a couple appartments in Red Storm and Luir's Outpost.
So I log in and set up in the main room of Luir's Outpost. Lucktan is getting spiced out, smoking Thodeliv and getting all messed up and generally acting like a dope. I'd just gotten home and was hungery,so after setting up in The Storms End I went AFK. I got up to heat up some food. I come back and the while bar is attacking my character. I only have time to stand up and remove the tube of spice before he's dead. Mantis head. So I'm so pissed bit sometimes that's how it goes. I scroll back and see a Fist officer and some rectuit decided to attack him, I guess they'd played it all out somewhere in private but when they get into the Storms End they basically just initiated company and the while bar assisted. It was all over in less than 60 seconds.
The next morning I find an email in my inbox day.... yadda yadda yadda, You're banned for being on the shadowboard.
So I'm pissed and decide, "Screw it all, I quit!" I log in here and delete my then account jenki that I mostly used to try help the game improve and help postered here deal with issues that they couldn't really take anywhere else because who else would understand, who else would they talk ti5, but screw it! It'd been banned and I wasn't going back. I was done trying to help anyone here or have any kind of presence with the game at all.
So the next day I get a curious email (I think it was from Noted Liar Nergal but I don't really remember and deleted all my email related to Arm) saying something to the effect of "Since you've complied with our demands and have deleted your shadoeboard account, we've unbanned your account."
I was left scratching my head, I had no idea about any kind of offers of unbanning.but didn't say anything.
A few months later I went back to playing because I didn't really like any other MUDs and I'd already invested a ton of time learning Arm so why not keep going? I've since stopped playing all together, but that's another story.
And that's the story of how I was banned for posting on this board.
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jenki
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Post by jenki on Jan 6, 2020 11:39:48 GMT -5
My guess is that people known to be on here are more or less put on a black list and won't receive positive staff support/attention. That is my experience. In the eyes of the staff, those who post here are on their way out. |
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delerak
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"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Jan 6, 2020 12:28:44 GMT -5
here's an example -- armageddonmud.boards.net/thread/827/jacks-banned-threada few people have PMed me over the early years of the board telling me they got caught, and either warned with the ultimatum to stop posting or else or they were banned. i have copies of those PMs but will let people speak up if they want. i don't think it's happened though for a few years though. nyr and Noted Liar Nergal were the people sending out e-mails and threatening posters. there are also people on the boards who speak openly with obvious identities, and have posted IC info and haven't faced any repercussions during the same time period, so who knows. @qwerty posted here then became staff and continues to post IC things here which got @anaiahalation banned but staff doesn't seem to care. Logan was an awesome player. What a shame. |
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Jan 6, 2020 13:16:24 GMT -5
Has anyone ever been penalized for being on the shadowboards? Absolutely.
You might not get banned these days; but if you're not sucking staff's toes like Delerak here, you're going to get earmarked for failure. Nobody will support your plots. You will never get selected for a sponsored role. Ultra-secret notes of "Never give this guy anything" will be tied to your account, and never be communicated to you when you ask for your account notes. You're basically a second-class member of the community.
It really is paradoxical. How many community members with integrity have come to communicate their grievances on the shadowboard after facing some slice of injustice or failure from the staff team? And they've been blacklisted; meanwhile, we have absolute troglodytes that get into sponsored roles like Templars and Nobles who ruin entire spheres with their slutlust for power. Staff will choose a shitty slutluster over a shadowboarder because the former will put up with absolutely anything to maintain their trickle-down power they have in the moment. Whereas we have numerous documented accounts over years of some of the best shadowboarders jumping ship from positions of sheer power: all over an injustice, or a failure of the staff team, to be proper administrators of a decent game.
In their attempts to smother their failures, the staff team have expelled quite measurably the best players in the community. The ones that have the integrity, the gall to call power-trippers out on their bullshit: they end up here to tell their story.
It is absolutely clear that the staff team would rather have a shitlord sycophant than a conscientious, decent player. They have made the trade time and time again. They rely on the carrot of further power in the Prison Experiment to quash any criticism or malcontent dialogue: don't you dare call attention to something bad, or else you'll have your karma docked. You get trained to be content with failure.
Anyone who steps back and sees the broken system clearly will understand what I am talking about. Staff's autistic policies are a poisoned refinement system that produce the worst players: the good ones jump ship. Years and years on this forum show that the good ones jump ship.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Jan 6, 2020 14:18:24 GMT -5
damn they all know now purg. why'd you have to go and tell everyone that I'm kissing ass for karma?
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Post by samosforpresident on Jan 6, 2020 14:45:11 GMT -5
Not sure why autism and berating other people needs to even be dragged into this discussion. People have been punished in the past and rarely get punished now unless its something ridiculous.
Lets get back to talking about the game and how to improve plots, code, and social aspects.
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Jan 6, 2020 14:46:18 GMT -5
Not sure why autism and berating other people needs to even be dragged into this discussion. People have been punished I n the past and rarely get punished now unless its something ridiculous. Lets get back to talking about the game and how to improve plots, code, and social aspects. How to improve the game: get rid of autists. |
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Post by anaiahlation on Jan 6, 2020 14:50:56 GMT -5
Not sure why autism and berating other people needs to even be dragged into this discussion. People have been punished I n the past and rarely get punished now unless its something ridiculous. Lets get back to talking about the game and how to improve plots, code, and social aspects. How to improve the game: get rid of autists. Ded |
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Post by sirra on Jan 6, 2020 17:36:03 GMT -5
I know several players who have been told to stop posting here. It's not officially against the rules, but they at least used to give people a mafiaesque "nice karma, it would be a shame if something happened to it" kind of deal. If you're known to be a shadowboarder, you will definitely be persona non grata. We've seen logs of staff having stern talks with players about coming here. You won't be banned outright, but it will land you in the black book. I've never received maltreatment for posting here and I was the first member of these boards and have 1500+ posts. I just recently received karma as well. I can't speak for everyone but it seems that it is taken on a case-by-case basis. For example, I never discuss mechanics, code or recent IC happenings within the past year. All 3 of these will probably get you banned or at the very least you will be karma docked. If you don't care about the integrity of the game are posting IC info and hurling every insult in the book at staff? You reap what you sow and got what you deserved. Those that were banned in the past simply for posting here? Yeah that's fucking stupid and appears to be long gone. Well. Hopefully when they read this thread, they'll award you even more karma for being such a good ambassador to us heathen. |
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Jan 6, 2020 17:49:25 GMT -5
I've never received maltreatment for posting here and I was the first member of these boards and have 1500+ posts. I just recently received karma as well. I can't speak for everyone but it seems that it is taken on a case-by-case basis. For example, I never discuss mechanics, code or recent IC happenings within the past year. All 3 of these will probably get you banned or at the very least you will be karma docked. If you don't care about the integrity of the game are posting IC info and hurling every insult in the book at staff? You reap what you sow and got what you deserved. Those that were banned in the past simply for posting here? Yeah that's fucking stupid and appears to be long gone. Well. Hopefully when they read this thread, they'll award you even more karma for being such a good ambassador to us heathen. I am delerak, nothing more or less. All I can is be as honest as possible but I believe in Arm and I always have. The game isn't dying and the staff aren't out to get anyone (though I know the feeling all to well). The mere existence of these boards is a testament to how much you all care about the game which I think is awesome. Now if only some could get their heads out of their asses and get back to what matters like telling stories, reminiscing, posting about ideas or concepts. These boards used to be a lot better than these days wherein you have a multitude of ex-players that simply come to shit on the game/staff, share ic info, and ruin the integrity of the game. I'm not going anywhere but you can fully expect my eventual withdrawal as these forums continue to be an echo chamber for shit posters, trolls, and derailers. |
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Jan 6, 2020 18:00:35 GMT -5
Whether the game is dying or not depends on what your interpretation is of the fact that the game's lost about 5% of its playerbase every year for the past six years. Ideas are discussed fairly regularly around here, perhaps even more often in recent times than before. You've said you appreciate you can say whatever you want here, so why are you trying to redirect conversation to the things you want to talk about? People here are allowed to criticize the game just as much as you want to reminisce.
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Post by sirra on Jan 6, 2020 18:08:01 GMT -5
Well. Hopefully when they read this thread, they'll award you even more karma for being such a good ambassador to us heathen. I am delerak, nothing more or less. All I can is be as honest as possible but I believe in Arm and I always have. The game isn't dying and the staff aren't out to get anyone (though I know the feeling all to well). The mere existence of these boards is a testament to how much you all care about the game which I think is awesome. Now if only some could get their heads out of their asses and get back to what matters like telling stories, reminiscing, posting about ideas or concepts. These boards used to be a lot better than these days wherein you have a multitude of ex-players that simply come to shit on the game/staff, share ic info, and ruin the integrity of the game. I'm not going anywhere but you can fully expect my eventual withdrawal as these forums continue to be an echo chamber for shit posters, trolls, and derailers. Sadly, while I fully agree with you that there are many good players who are involved in Armageddon, I've come to understand that as long as Nessalin, the fundamental cancer at the heart of the game's most toxic culture, continues to reign over it...It will never be a place worth investing in. There's no game that's fun enough to subject one's self to his authority, or to be concerned about his opinions, or to have your hobby be at his mercy in any way shape or form. But you know. I'm glad you're having fun. I am. It's not like I never miss the fun I used to have, or the cool people I'd meet and play with and mentor in the Byn, Salar or Kurac. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna be able to do anything but roll my eyes at the whole 'hey guyz, staff are doing their best!' routine. Because 1: They absolutely are not. And 2: The true decision makers have never really changed. It's just the staff at the bottom that see real turnover. What you and abuzer see as tolerance, is really just apathy. And meanwhile, Nessalin remains a toxic vehicle of continuity, tainting each successive generation or iteration of the game. This is setting aside that the new staff aren't even particularly good at game design, given how quantifiably retarded the new guild/subguild system is. |
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Post by pinkerdlu on Jan 6, 2020 18:15:33 GMT -5
It's pretty hilarious when someone defends the game and goes 'Ah, the staff have never been to blame! BE THE CHANGE! Look at the players of old who always made stuff happen' ... Then they go on to list guys like Desertman and Red Ranger - who have posted on the Shadowboard (and got punished for it) about their experience w/ Armageddon and cited frustrations with staff as one of their main reasons for stepping away from the game. These respected, 'legendary' tier players are coming over here and sharing legitimate grievances and some people just act like it never happened. Some of "these people" pretend that everyone here is just some salty, neckbearded manchild that doesn't realize they've simply 'grown out of the game' and now they have nothing better to do than tear it down (and bully the innocent staff!!) out of pure malice. Give me a break  And have I been penalized for being on the shadowboards?  Well, it was a pretty productive period in my life so I wouldn't exactly consider it a penalty. lol edit: It kind of boggles my mind when people (even on this forum, who shill for arm) act like none of us care about or love Armageddon. Of course we do. There are a lot of us that genuinely care about the game and that want to see it succeed. But look... Telling people to shut up and go back to playing the game isn't going to work. It's not going to improve the game or breath new life into it. People are going to voice their grievances regardless and many of them have been burnt by the current system one too many times. And when people use the dreaded "STAFF" word... no, they aren't blindly decrying every single staff member (current or past). But yes, sometimes they are decrying specific individuals on the staff team who make the game a worse place. Or staff members who make bad game design choices. Or staff members who refuse to update pieces of code. Or a particular staff member who makes a particularly shitty decision. Yes, there are individuals on the current staff team who have their heads in the right place and who I support. Do I want to tear down the game? No. Do I want to see it improve? Yes. Will that take the removal of toxic staff members? Probably. |
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vex
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Post by vex on Jan 6, 2020 19:04:28 GMT -5
I post here, the GDB, and on occasion elsewhere about the game, with uncut opinions that are both positive and negative. I recently received a second karmas, as well.
My thoughts is that, unless you're actively pursuing a negative impact on the game, you shouldn't worry overly much about speaking your mind, whatever your opinion happens to be.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Jan 6, 2020 19:37:47 GMT -5
There's even this phenomenon where someone will recall a scene from years ago and be like "yeah, I really liked these players" or "I really liked that clan and this scene" and the designated shill will go... HAH! ONE OF THOSE PLAYERS IS ON STAFF! AND THIS OTHER ONE IS STILL AN ACTIVE PLAYER! HOW CAN THE GAME BE BAD? YOU MUST HATE IT FOR NO REASON.
Or someone gives kudos to a recent character/player and the designated shill goes... HAH! THEY'RE STILL PLAYING... THEY DIDN'T QUIT LIKE YOU. PROVES YOU WRONG.
Like dude. Chill. We get it.
There are still okay staffers. There are still okay players. People also change. Acting like this negates any of the points made on this board is an act desperation.
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