nile
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Post by nile on Dec 27, 2019 19:13:40 GMT -5
Hi all,
First time posting here. Got quite a story of inept and easily upset staffers.
I've never had issues with staff in 15 years of playing the game, but then a few days ago I see that thread with the girl being harassed by Shalooonsh. In that thread Shabago blames my account for spooofing Shaloonsh's discord and somehow faking the whole thing. Shabago says I hate the staff, have a vendetta against the game etc etc. Really bizarre shit. I send staff a request expressing my outrage and in return Nessalin gives me an incredibly arrogant, patronising response. I express my dissatisfaction with this, point out how shit their evidence was for scapegoating me for their own internal sexual harassment issues, and they ban me for good, justifying it by saying I've blown up at staff before (when? on TM GDB after Salty Black fell down the sinkhole? if so fucking lol you guys are insanely sensitive for running an adult game about "murder, corruption, betrayal".
I've also been banned from Discord for a while with no explanation. It's now obvious that was part of the cover up as well. To stop me from going public with all of this. Shabago straight up lied consistently to the poor girl who was sexually harassed by Shaloonsh and said he had banned my account etc etc, none of which happened.
Anyway, Nile is my GDB handle, Okthen my account. Got no other way to vent this and the staff made it clear I'm perma-banned....as if that is somehow going to stop me from making a fresh account with a VPN if I wanted. lol. So dumb. But I was almost about to stop playing as it was anyway.
I've never seen this side of the staff but holy fucking shit, I see what this board is all about now. These people are paranoid and incredibly stupid. The paranoia and stories about my account I didn't even know of are truly awe inspiring.
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Post by shakes on Dec 27, 2019 19:34:49 GMT -5
WTF?
They just singled you out and said you did it?
For a guy who has a vendetta against the game, you sure were playing a lot and keeping a lot of people active and entertained.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Dec 27, 2019 19:36:03 GMT -5
I've never seen this side of the staff but holy fucking shit, I see what this board is all about now. These people are paranoid and incredibly stupid. The paranoia and stories about my account I didn't even know of are truly awe inspiring.
Yep. Welcome.
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jimping
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Post by jimping on Dec 27, 2019 19:40:35 GMT -5
I'm sure plenty would be interested in seeing the responses and such.
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Dec 27, 2019 20:00:38 GMT -5
You can't post a thread like this and not include the complaints! Let's have that sort of thing documented. You did have them emailed to your account right? When Nyr banned me, he even went to the length to scramble my password hash so that I couldn't get into my account. So I wouldn't be surprised if they did that sort of thing to you, too.
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Post by tatata663 on Dec 27, 2019 20:21:26 GMT -5
Would be interested in seeing it too but sad to see you go, we didn't play together much but often at times it felt like you were the only person doing anything in the city. Now we've just got aides with huge knockers. In another world that would be ideal. Not this one though.
Not this one.
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Post by jcarter on Dec 27, 2019 21:09:01 GMT -5
Hi all, First time posting here. Got quite a story of inept and easily upset staffers. I've never had issues with staff in 15 years of playing the game, but then a few days ago I see that thread with the girl being harassed by Shalooonsh. In that thread Shabago blames my account for spooofing Shaloonsh's discord and somehow faking the whole thing. Shabago says I hate the staff, have a vendetta against the game etc etc. Really bizarre shit. I send staff a request expressing my outrage and in return Nessalin gives me an incredibly arrogant, patronising response. I express my dissatisfaction with this, point out how shit their evidence was for scapegoating me for their own internal sexual harassment issues, and they ban me for good, justifying it by saying I've blown up at staff before (when? on TM GDB after Salty Black fell down the sinkhole? if so fucking lol you guys are insanely sensitive for running an adult game about "murder, corruption, betrayal". I've also been banned from Discord for a while with no explanation. It's now obvious that was part of the cover up as well. To stop me from going public with all of this. Shabago straight up lied consistently to the poor girl who was sexually harassed by Shaloonsh and said he had banned my account etc etc, none of which happened. Anyway, Nile is my GDB handle, Okthen my account. Got no other way to vent this and the staff made it clear I'm perma-banned....as if that is somehow going to stop me from making a fresh account with a VPN if I wanted. lol. So dumb. But I was almost about to stop playing as it was anyway.
I've never seen this side of the staff but holy fucking shit, I see what this board is all about now. These people are paranoid and incredibly stupid. The paranoia and stories about my account I didn't even know of are truly awe inspiring.
lmao
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Dec 27, 2019 21:20:09 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this is what staff do when confronting staffing problems. They pick out a vulnerable scapegoat and say it's all their fault. Usually they target other staff members, but in this case they picked a player to be the blood sacrifice.
This is the main reason why the "X staff member might be an asshole but at least he's fun" argument falls apart. Because there's an upkeep cost to keeping them around. Same with the people who say "the only way to enjoy the game is to play it without dealing with staff". Eventually they'll just pick you out and sacrifice you, if they need to.
I'm sorry you had to deal with being the victim in a cover-up. Here's to hoping people here learn from your experience.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Dec 27, 2019 22:12:20 GMT -5
It's crazy how staff continue to lead Armageddon down the path of a garbage fire, especially over a sexual predator like Shaloooonsh.
Dude is an "exciting" storyteller that stirs a little bit of life up in-game, so he gets a pass for being a total deplorable scumbag and having like a dozen grievances levied against him. But naw, let's get rid of one of the last good players that's making stuff happen. At least Nyr cared about the game, in his own strange way. I'm not sure these freaks do.
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Dec 27, 2019 23:44:26 GMT -5
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nile
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Post by nile on Dec 28, 2019 1:58:10 GMT -5
Staff didn't say much. The request logs are 90% me going what the actual fuck and being patronised or dismissed in response. They didn't even give me an explanation. The closest I got was Nessalin saying: "Okthen,
I guess since you read it on the internet it must be true? That something posted anonymously on the internet is a more trusted source than the staff you claim you'd always held in high regards?
Noted.
Nessalin Producer Armageddon Staff"
It's wholly uninteresting. After this they essentially had the attitude that I'd been given the answer I deserve. Nobody bothered to address any of the points I made. I also called the staff "retarded children" and a bunch of dumb fucks multiple times. Staff will know this is confirmation. lol. I got the impression that my little tirade explaining how they are morons and raging at them for scapegoating me for sexual harassment hurt their feelings. Hilarious for a group running a game with the tagline "murder, corruption, betrayal".
And the evidence was a single IP match in my entire history of playing. An IP match they didn't chase up and when they did they CLEARED ME OF ANY WRONGDOING. I've got the request logs for all of this shit on my email. I might compile a pastebin when I get a chance. Bad time of year right now.
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Post by gringoose on Dec 28, 2019 2:32:14 GMT -5
An IP match on what? Obviously they have your IP that you log on your Arm account with on the game and site and the GBD. They can't see the accuser's IP on Reddit or Discord without private messaging that person a link to a server they control or a link to an IP grabbing service
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Post by mehtastic on Dec 28, 2019 6:09:32 GMT -5
An IP match on what? Obviously they have your IP that you log on your Arm account with on the game and site and the GBD. They can't see the accuser's IP on Reddit or Discord without private messaging that person a link to a server they control or a link to an IP grabbing service According to Kaitrena's post, Shabago claimed that an IP match between her account, and an account called Okthen, proved that "someone living in her house" had to be banned for organizing the fake (in their eyes) attack on Shalooonsh. At best, staff are dumb assholes who think that an IP match in 2019 means anything. It could mean that Kaitrena and Okthen played with the same VPN service or something. At worst, staff know that going off of IP matches in 2019 is basically the investigative equivalent of divining the future from sheep's intestines, but they need an excuse to protect a staff member by getting rid of a player they didn't personally like much. And Kaitrena even understands this and says she doesn't want the wrong person to get banned. Staff banned the wrong person anyway. So: stupid or malicious. And we know the staff team has several technical minds on it, who work in the computer software, IT, and networking fields. So take your pick of what's more likely.
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Post by mehtastic on Dec 28, 2019 6:30:35 GMT -5
Staff didn't say much. The request logs are 90% me going what the actual fuck and being patronised or dismissed in response. They didn't even give me an explanation. The closest I got was Nessalin saying: "Okthen, I guess since you read it on the internet it must be true? That something posted anonymously on the internet is a more trusted source than the staff you claim you'd always held in high regards? Noted. Nessalin Producer Armageddon Staff" It's wholly uninteresting. After this they essentially had the attitude that I'd been given the answer I deserve. Nobody bothered to address any of the points I made. I also called the staff "retarded children" and a bunch of dumb fucks multiple times. Staff will know this is confirmation. lol. I got the impression that my little tirade explaining how they are morons and raging at them for scapegoating me for sexual harassment hurt their feelings. Hilarious for a group running a game with the tagline "murder, corruption, betrayal". And the evidence was a single IP match in my entire history of playing. An IP match they didn't chase up and when they did they CLEARED ME OF ANY WRONGDOING. I've got the request logs for all of this shit on my email. I might compile a pastebin when I get a chance. Bad time of year right now. " That something posted anonymously on the internet is a more trusted source than the staff you claim you'd always held in high regards?"Let's break down that sentence a bit. Something posted anonymously on the internet that happens to align with multiple other posts and reviews claiming that Shalooonsh sexually harasses people, leads sexual advances even when told they're unwanted, that some elements of the player culture are uncomfortably hypersexual, and that the staff in general are unenthusiastic about investigating such claims. We're not talking about one anonymous post on the internet here, we're talking about several, and there will likely be more to come the longer the problems go unaddressed. The staff you claim you'd always held in high regards: Just because you like someone more than someone else, or know someone better than someone else, does not mean that person you know or like is less likely to lie to you than a stranger would be. Indeed, this is how abuse works: there is a shared trust that one party exploits, consciously or otherwise, either physically (making the abuse physical abuse) or verbally (making the abuse emotional abuse). In fact, many people drawn towards lying and deceiving others do best from a position of trust. So what Nessalin's effectively doing here is forcing Okthen to make a choice between blind trust in the staff and blind trust in one voice of many who are raising similar concerns about the game. Of course, this is a false choice: nile doesn't need to make this choice. They can distrust staff as a body and also distrust anonymous accusations. They can trust staff as a whole but also raise concerns about anonymous accusations that are sounding similar to one another. But besides that, staff have done nothing to show their emotional investment in nile. They intended to just discard nile because he hadn't shown sufficient fealty to the staff. I don't see how anyone could look at this situation and not see how it might happen to them. On the off-chance that their IP matches with someone else, just because they logged into Arm from a Starbucks once or play Arm using a VPN, or something.
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Post by gringoose on Dec 28, 2019 8:14:40 GMT -5
That's a residential IP address. An IP address coming from a VPN would have a data center IP coming from a service like AWS or OVH. It's possible for two Arm players that don't know each other to be both using the same wifi hotspot like it's possible to be struck by lightning. That just has such a low probability that I wouldn't consider it. It's really one of two possibilities either he got caught or staff are intentionally and willfully framing him using fabricated evidence
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