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Post by mehtastic on Oct 5, 2019 6:13:11 GMT -5
Is it such a stretch to assume that staff misconduct in the "community" (GDB/Discord) is heavily linked to the likelihood of staff misconduct in game? Nyr, Nergal, Akariel, Seidhr, and more are examples of this. It is more likely that Shalooonsh is just another name in a long list of dirty staff than it is likely for him to be an exception to the rule. That's why I'm inclined to believe najdorf's story, especially given the justification he's posted so far. Of course, @qwerty's next step will now be to demand more evidence from abuzer until qwerty finds something abuzer can't provide anymore. That's how bad faith debaters generally work. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 7:19:59 GMT -5
More evidence of what? Abuzer's PC got killed by another PC and he blames Shalooonsh for it. At a certain point, all I can do is shrug helplessly and scratch it off to haters gonna hate.
All these suggestions about how complaints should be and all that. Unfortunately, while these boards once 'had' some grain of validity that made at least "some" people read and consider the points. A trait that I once valued on these boards. The recent hostile actions of all these fake reviews and abuse of 'touchy' subjects like #metoo, or minor abuse have robbed these boards of a reputation as a place to vent and be heard for legit players with legit problems and just limited it to a conglomerate of ex players who want to see the game burn and nothing more. It's actually a little funny to watch how some players victimize each other and then post on these boards how Arm sucks due to those players. While both the suffering player and the griefer are frequent users of these boards.
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 5, 2019 7:34:08 GMT -5
Ah yes, the place with no reputation, which you repeatedly charge into to... uh... do what again? Defend the game from all these "fake reviews" and "abuse"? Or push the staff line that all negative commentary about the game is fake and all the players should be happy with the way things are?
Armageddon does suck, and it's because of people like you who provide cover for Armageddon's unwillingness to improve.
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Post by delerak on Oct 5, 2019 8:11:22 GMT -5
Ah yes, the place with no reputation, which you repeatedly charge into to... uh... do what again? Defend the game from all these "fake reviews" and "abuse"? Or push the staff line that all negative commentary about the game is fake and all the players should be happy with the way things are? Armageddon does suck, and it's because of people like you who provide cover for Armageddon's unwillingness to improve.  |
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Post by jcarter on Oct 5, 2019 8:33:45 GMT -5
But you were killed by a PC, no? Or was it an NPC? I'm just trying to understand the leap of logic. lol no you're not. he plainly described that he felt shalooonsh did a bad job staffing and neglected the clan, and you're over here going "YES BUT A PC KILLED YOUR CHARACTER NOT SHALOOONSH WHATS THE BEEF" |
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Post by jcarter on Oct 5, 2019 8:49:10 GMT -5
A trait that I once valued on these boards. The recent hostile actions of all these fake reviews and abuse of 'touchy' subjects like #metoo, or minor abuse have robbed these boards of a reputation as a place to vent and be heard for legit players with legit problems and just limited it to a conglomerate of ex players who want to see the game burn and nothing more. 2016 qwerty: "this site used to have valid points but you leaked the wiki and now i see you just want the game to be ruined! *deletes account in protest*" 2018 qwerty: "this site used to be taken seriously, but this code leak shows you just want the game to burn!" 2019 qwerty: "this site used to be taken seriously but you made fun of shalooonsh's big dick fetish!" |
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Post by delerak on Oct 5, 2019 8:52:25 GMT -5
this site was never taken seriously, at least not by 50% of the trolls that post here. However it does provide an outlet which Arm staff refuse to acknowledge. Extreme moderation and censorship are the reason these forums exist. Reconciliation would be ideal but is futile with the personalities that you're dealing with on both sides.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 5, 2019 11:10:05 GMT -5
Reconciling is not futile because of the personalities. It's futile because the majority of the active posters don't even play anymore, haven't played in years and wouldn't play again. There is nothing to reconcile these are people with lives doing their own thing coming to talk about something they used to do because it kills the time and Armageddon is often so wrong it's like watching a drunk try and make it into a cab. I like the hobby, I like RPIs, they are dead or dying and Armageddon is just a good example of why. HavenRPG likewise has insane staff. SOI insane staff that torpedoed the flagship RPI. It's not like Armageddon is unique. It's just really good and continuing on in comparison.
That's also why there aren't as many guides as their used to be, the people who could write them haven't played in so long we have no ability to make an accurate or helpful one.
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Post by najdorf on Oct 5, 2019 11:32:40 GMT -5
More evidence of what? Abuzer's PC got killed by another PC and he blames Shalooonsh for it. At a certain point, all I can do is shrug helplessly and scratch it off to haters gonna hate. Come on mate, you are smart enough to see the point but you don't read the replies, just respond to 1 point made out of 4 5. I did over 200 PK's, and lost over 150 characters. I don't complain over loosing characters. I told twice that Shaloonsh's ignorance of a player who was involved in the game 7 hours a day is the issue. Not for 1 week, 2 weeks, but a long long time. After 2-3 months of continuously insisting for a 5 min animation, and being ignored. You can say he doesn'T have time to be involved in every player, but it was a player that deserved a 5 min animation. And my frustration is that whenever I was online and playing, he was 40% of the time on discord live, and chatting or posting stupid stuff. The standard response staff gives is "We get to decide what we do with our time". Then I have the freedom to comment the way I like and . I usually don'T want to go into the details, but.. "Najdorf, Thanks for your patience on this. What would work well for you as a possible animation time in the Server Time Evenings over the next week? I am pretty open except for Wednesdays. Shalooonsh Storyteller ArmageddonMUD Staff" The same day he logs in and my PC is dead. What a coincidence. He was watching over, and let that happen. That is what I believe. I'd rather go play diablo II, which is a better RP game. Even blizzard Staff will give more attention to my hack & slashing than Shalooonsh who believes (probably) that I am in the league of lame players. |
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Post by delerak on Oct 5, 2019 13:11:18 GMT -5
Reconciling is not futile because of the personalities. It's futile because the majority of the active posters don't even play anymore, haven't played in years and wouldn't play again. There is nothing to reconcile these are people with lives doing their own thing coming to talk about something they used to do because it kills the time and Armageddon is often so wrong it's like watching a drunk try and make it into a cab. I like the hobby, I like RPIs, they are dead or dying and Armageddon is just a good example of why. HavenRPG likewise has insane staff. SOI insane staff that torpedoed the flagship RPI. It's not like Armageddon is unique. It's just really good and continuing on in comparison. That's also why there aren't as many guides as their used to be, the people who could write them haven't played in so long we have no ability to make an accurate or helpful one. The whole point of reconciliation is those players may return to the game. It's futile though because Arm staff have notoriously had the mindset of, "Bye Felicia!" instead of like, "Hey sorry you had a bad experience what can we do to avoid this in the future?" |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 14:07:33 GMT -5
But you were killed by a PC, no? Or was it an NPC? I'm just trying to understand the leap of logic. From your description, at least how I understood it, you got offed by a PC in an elven basement and no NPC came to your defence. That's actually a pretty common occurrence. It used to happen every few years, or maybe even more often. And each time when people inquired, Jaxa Pah responded simply that they're not going to protect non Jaxa Pah. They never promise to do that, they never give any indication. There is no "Elven Brotherhood". No such thing. So. How did the leap from a PC kill to Shalooonsh killing you happen? I'm assuming there was a conversation? Was it via request tool? Do you have a copy of it? I dont agree with you on this, I collected over 40k and offered 90% of the coins to jaxa. From an IC perspective why would they not take the coins. My elf was at worst a massive profit to them. If a 5 min of animation wont be given to a character taking part in interactions at every noble house at that level, then wipe your name off the staffer for jaxa list. Also when my characters are involved in these type of killings, suddenly a staff hero pops up and insta kills my pcs. Double standard in the extreme. But a predictable one. If you dont trust the staffer, dont play with the staffer.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 5, 2019 14:07:58 GMT -5
Reconciling is not futile because of the personalities. It's futile because the majority of the active posters don't even play anymore, haven't played in years and wouldn't play again. There is nothing to reconcile these are people with lives doing their own thing coming to talk about something they used to do because it kills the time and Armageddon is often so wrong it's like watching a drunk try and make it into a cab. I like the hobby, I like RPIs, they are dead or dying and Armageddon is just a good example of why. HavenRPG likewise has insane staff. SOI insane staff that torpedoed the flagship RPI. It's not like Armageddon is unique. It's just really good and continuing on in comparison. That's also why there aren't as many guides as their used to be, the people who could write them haven't played in so long we have no ability to make an accurate or helpful one. The whole point of reconciliation is those players may return to the game. It's futile though because Arm staff have notoriously had the mindset of, "Bye Felicia!" instead of like, "Hey sorry you had a bad experience what can we do to avoid this in the future?" semi strong pimp hand and all that amirite guys? /le epic humor injection |
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Post by pinkerdlu on Oct 5, 2019 14:28:38 GMT -5
semi strong pimp hand and all that amirite guys? /let epic humor injection weeeeww le epic discord humor xDDD wE'rE JUst A buNCh oF wAcKy GuYs!! |
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 6, 2019 5:25:49 GMT -5
I dont agree with you on this, I collected over 40k and offered 90% of the coins to jaxa. From an IC perspective why would they not take the coins. My elf was at worst a massive profit to them. If a 5 min of animation wont be given to a character taking part in interactions at every noble house at that level, then wipe your name off the staffer for jaxa list. Also when my characters are involved in these type of killings, suddenly a staff hero pops up and insta kills my pcs. Double standard in the extreme. But a predictable one. If you dont trust the staffer, dont play with the staffer.
Fine idea in theory until you realize that you are playing with the staffer regardless of what you actually do. 1) Staff rotations happen, and you have roughly 1/3 chance to go from "not playing with the staffer" to "the staffer is over your clan now". Then your options are to store and play somewhere else, keep playing but stop submitting reports; you keep playing as normal and wait until you get screwed over. If you choose to keep playing under the staffer, expect them to not handle the transitional period between staff teams particularly well for you/your clan. 2) The staff member still exists, and playing in some other clan is not an escape from them. If they want to, they will interfere with you in animations unrelated to any clan. They will interfere with you by talking shit about you on the IDB and casting doubt on efforts to advance your plots. 3) If the staff member that dislikes you is particularly crazy, they can make a mortal PC and play in your clan. Mortal PCs are unbound by the staff rules regarding PK, and Admins+ can be logged into their staff account and mortal account at the same time, giving them a birds' eye view of the game while they are acting quasi-ICly on the ground. If your only goal is to get away from a bad staffer, your only real solution is to leave Armageddon until the staff member leaves the team. Anything else is a half-measure. |
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 6, 2019 5:31:04 GMT -5
Reconciling is not futile because of the personalities. It's futile because the majority of the active posters don't even play anymore, haven't played in years and wouldn't play again. There is nothing to reconcile these are people with lives doing their own thing coming to talk about something they used to do because it kills the time and Armageddon is often so wrong it's like watching a drunk try and make it into a cab. I like the hobby, I like RPIs, they are dead or dying and Armageddon is just a good example of why. HavenRPG likewise has insane staff. SOI insane staff that torpedoed the flagship RPI. It's not like Armageddon is unique. It's just really good and continuing on in comparison. That's also why there aren't as many guides as their used to be, the people who could write them haven't played in so long we have no ability to make an accurate or helpful one. The whole point of reconciliation is those players may return to the game. It's futile though because Arm staff have notoriously had the mindset of, "Bye Felicia!" instead of like, "Hey sorry you had a bad experience what can we do to avoid this in the future?" Not only have they notoriously had the mindset, it's become an active part of staff culture. From Nyr/Nessalin's responses of "Noted" to legitimate complaints that could cause a player to leave the game if those complaints feel under-addressed, to Nergal declaring that he prefers players he thinks are bad to just leave the game, to Shalooonsh claiming that his bad behavior is actually a way to keep players, to staff circling the wagons whenever a negative review appears and denying all wrongdoing instead of investigating, we've seen Armageddon staff's denial of problems in the player-staff relationship manifest in different ways. But it all leads back to the likelihood the staff prefer that players who have a problem with the game simply leave the game rather than try to ask for change. |
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