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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 18:00:18 GMT -5
....aaaaaaand banned for posting here, rather than 'opening up a dialogue'. I've opened up 3 dialogues, and they never go anywhere. bt-dubs, lurklord: If you AREN'T Jazet, you're doing an awful lot of assuming yourself. And he says you aren't. In the email he sent to tell me he's not you. It's the one right before I was banned. But if you were indeed playing a Kaden until you started playing your current role, then for you to know anything about what the people in the Lodge actually felt 'to a man', or indeed the same with other groups, you'd have to be psychic. But it's only assumptions when it's someone else making them. How DO you know that delerak's pc in question was 'the strongest ever in new kaden' without knowing the strength of all the pcs in new kaden? Especially with how little said pc achieved?
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jan 21, 2015 19:34:20 GMT -5
if the black robe who ran the ministry of War could shut down the other three black robes, was given some psionic artifact that the minstry of the Mind had done a big rpt for, and every small time player had to grovel to the War black robe for everything (rather than a ministry that matches the theme of the request), then yes there would be cries of player favoritism directed at one player just like youre seeing here.
There's four active PC senior Barons (black robes). Two blah blah bullshit bullshit
Since my comment was people wre complaining about one baron having disproportionate power, talkng about how it should work in the docs but doesnt in the game is irrelevant. And an attempt to deflect from actually answerng the point. Game has 10-15 players at peak. Needing to go straight to a Baron for things is a playability thing rather than a practical thing. Many enclaves don't have the benefit of minions. This is something that could be changed. this is a valid but off-topic point. This knd of musing would seem like "listening to the players" if not for the fact you claimd not to be staff (IIRC). Between those things and your earlier attempt to evade answering my question about just assassnating the problem, you currently come off as someone who will say anything to dismiss anything contrary to his opinion. So now anythng you say is suspect. Even if parts of it turn out to be true. Intrestingly, I'm the only person that did answer the question. I don't see the malcontents posting about super secret shields or admin revivals. I also seem to be the only person you seem to care about having answered it. no, youre just the only one who answered publicly. As to why i care, it's because you tried to derail conversation away from what i askd. If anyone else had tried to kill the question with artful dodging, i'd have attacked them too. But seriously, keep destroyng your credibility with this dismissive idiocy. I'm mostly here because alot of the crap that's being posted is scaring off potential players from an otherwise awesome game. It's always the same four sentiments: *I don't like that a powerful character is powerful/I don't like that a rich character is rich. *I'm unwilling to have my comparatively powerless character eat humble pie or suck up to further my character's IC goals. *I'm unwilling to make a character with the power to actually challenge the status quo. *I don't like that another character is being unkind to mine. Ive seen two very, very specific complaints as to why the game is unplayable from the malcontents WHO USED TO RECOMMEND AND DEFEND EOE ON THIS BOARD OF MALCONTENTS: - Nadu is disproportionately powerful to the point they can shut down anythng significant, even things that should be the purview of other Enclaves (everyone complaining)
- The playerbase is inexperienced (which was del)
what's that phrase that keeps showing up on our board? "If everybodys complaining about one person and are citing one person as the reason they leave forever, theres a problem with that one person." (no response)you know that point still exists even though it's a page back, rght? Because the audience youve only briefly realizd may be making decisions about EOE from this thread can still read it.
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Post by lurklord on Jan 21, 2015 19:57:37 GMT -5
There's four active PC senior Barons (black robes). Two blah blah bullshit bullshit
Since my comment was people wre complaining about one baron having disproportionate power, talkng about how it should work in the docs but doesnt in the game is irrelevant. And an attempt to deflect from actually answerng the point. I was trying to explain why the power is so disproportionate and how this could be fixed by more people playing Barons. You don't seem to want to listen. To be honest, the reason I didn't answer your question to begin with is because it was so obvious and self-explanatory that I'd thought you could figure out that Barons die when they're ganked like anyone else. Ever since then it's been, look at me, look at me, you're not looking, answer my questions, you're destroying your credibility because I say so! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jan 21, 2015 20:19:24 GMT -5
Since my comment was people wre complaining about one baron having disproportionate power, talkng about how it should work in the docs but doesnt in the game is irrelevant. And an attempt to deflect from actually answerng the point. I was trying to explain why the power is so disproportionate and how this could be fixed by more people playing Barons. You don't seem to want to listen. And more deflections. Your explanation of "One person always gets her way because two people agree with her" doesnt take away from the fact people are complaining shes made the other Enclaves irrelevant and has taken things (e.g. that sundown artifact) she shouldnt have. This question might seem a bt "obvious and self-explanatory" but why arent the staff voting on behalf of the Council roles that aren't flled to keep her from effectively being Queen? As to why i care, it's because you tried to derail conversation away from what i askd. If anyone else had tried to kill the question with artful dodging, i'd have attacked them too. But seriously, keep destroyng your credibility with this dismissive idiocy. To be honest, the reason I didn't answer your question to begin with is because it was so obvious and self-explanatory that I'd thought you could figure out that Barons die when they're ganked like anyone else. i'm sorry, but this is just incredibly fuckng retarded. My question (which still exists even though it happened on page 4 was: whats keeping someone from forming a cabal of pissd off players and everyone just killing her as a group? Not "what would happen if the baron got killed?" Im sure this is very difficult to understand, but staff on a mud can take steps to make killing a particular PC impossible or extremely difficult. so when I asked what was keeping people from killing her (and try to stay with me here) i was asking what was keeping people from killing her. Not what would happen if she died. Ever since then it's been, look at me, look at me, you're not looking, answer my questions, you're destroying your credibility because I say so! PAY ATTENTION TO ME! sure, except for when i thanked you after you finally answered my question. It's funny how when you start being evasive and dishonest and making fallacious arguments, I get hostle, while when you actually directly engage in honest discussion i don't. when youre done badly trolling, perhaps you should considr the very obvious fact that how i treat you is a result of your behavior. I'm mostly here because alot of the crap that's being posted is scaring off potential players from an otherwise awesome game. It's always the same four sentiments: *I don't like that a powerful character is powerful/I don't like that a rich character is rich. *I'm unwilling to have my comparatively powerless character eat humble pie or suck up to further my character's IC goals. *I'm unwilling to make a character with the power to actually challenge the status quo. *I don't like that another character is being unkind to mine. Ive seen two very, very specific complaints as to why the game is unplayable from the malcontents WHO USED TO RECOMMEND AND DEFEND EOE ON THIS BOARD OF MALCONTENTS: - Nadu is disproportionately powerful to the point they can shut down anythng significant, even things that should be the purview of other Enclaves (everyone complaining)
- The playerbase is inexperienced (which was del)
what's that phrase that keeps showing up on our board? "If everybodys complaining about one person and are citing one person as the reason they leave forever, theres a problem with that one person." (still no response)
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Post by lurklord on Jan 21, 2015 20:32:52 GMT -5
I was trying to explain why the power is so disproportionate and how this could be fixed by more people playing Barons. You don't seem to want to listen. And more deflections. Your explanation of "One person always gets her way because two people agree with her" doesnt take away from the fact people are complaining shes made the other Enclaves irrelevant and has taken things (e.g. that sundown artifact) she shouldnt have. This question might seem a bt "obvious and self-explanatory" but why arent the staff voting on behalf of the Council roles that aren't flled to keep her from effectively being Queen? *She didn't take it. She brought it off someone that did. Someone Sundown wronged. Did people complain the person who originally took the artifact was getting staff favouritism? If not, why? Has sundown made any attempt to take it back? *My explanation of "One person always gets her way because two people agree with her" is the whole idea behind the council. 6/10 votes in Kaiden is basically what Tek making a law in Allanak is. Each enclave gets two votes. If Seniors are black-robes, juniors are red-robes, and tend to sheep unless they're particularly against a vote passing. How do you know the staff aren't reasonably voting on behalf of the council?
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jan 21, 2015 20:40:42 GMT -5
And more deflections. Your explanation of "One person always gets her way because two people agree with her" doesnt take away from the fact people are complaining shes made the other Enclaves irrelevant and has taken things (e.g. that sundown artifact) she shouldnt have. This question might seem a bt "obvious and self-explanatory" but why arent the staff voting on behalf of the Council roles that aren't flled to keep her from effectively being Queen? *She didn't take it. She brought it off someone that did. Someone Sundown wronged. Did people complain the person who originally took the bow was getting staff favouritism? Has sundown made any attempt to take it back? And deflections again. *My explanation of "One person always gets her way because two people agree with her" is the whole idea behind the council. 6/10 votes in Kaiden is basically what Tek making a law in Allanak is. Each enclave gets two votes. If Seniors are black-robes, juniors are red-robes, and tend to sheep unless they're particularly against a vote passing. except according to you she keeps getting her way because of two people, not five. Your past arguments dont exist in a vacuum. They dont cease to exist as soon as they inconvenienc you. How do you know the staff aren't reasonably voting on behalf of the council? because according to you she's only able to get away with what shes doing because there are only 4 PC barons. You really shouldnt try to discredt my source on this one since you're my source. You remmber saying that one post ago, right? Because it's still thre to be quoted again. I'm mostly here because alot of the crap that's being posted is scaring off potential players from an otherwise awesome game. It's always the same four sentiments: *I don't like that a powerful character is powerful/I don't like that a rich character is rich. *I'm unwilling to have my comparatively powerless character eat humble pie or suck up to further my character's IC goals. *I'm unwilling to make a character with the power to actually challenge the status quo. *I don't like that another character is being unkind to mine. Ive seen two very, very specific complaints as to why the game is unplayable from the malcontents WHO USED TO RECOMMEND AND DEFEND EOE ON THIS BOARD OF MALCONTENTS: - Nadu is disproportionately powerful to the point they can shut down anythng significant, even things that should be the purview of other Enclaves (everyone complaining)
- The playerbase is inexperienced (which was del)
what's that phrase that keeps showing up on our board? "If everybodys complaining about one person and are citing one person as the reason they leave forever, theres a problem with that one person." (still no response)
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Post by lurklord on Jan 21, 2015 20:47:31 GMT -5
Sure is. And I'll quote it right now.
I bolded a word for since you must have missed it the first time.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jan 21, 2015 20:57:02 GMT -5
Sure is. And I'll quote it right now. I bolded a word for since you must have missed it the first time. What did i miss? your arguments have consistntly been that there are only 4 people playing barons, 2 agree with nadu, which is how she gets her way. Bold-facing the word "senior" doesn't change that. But since you're eliminating more and more of our discussion to try and derail this conversation, heres what you left out. And more deflections. Your explanation of "One person always gets her way because two people agree with her" doesnt take away from the fact people are complaining shes made the other Enclaves irrelevant and has taken things (e.g. that sundown artifact) she shouldnt have. This question might seem a bt "obvious and self-explanatory" but why arent the staff voting on behalf of the Council roles that aren't flled to keep her from effectively being Queen? *She didn't take it. She brought it off someone that did. Someone Sundown wronged. Did people complain the person who originally took the bow was getting staff favouritism? Has sundown made any attempt to take it back? And deflections again. *My explanation of "One person always gets her way because two people agree with her" is the whole idea behind the council. 6/10 votes in Kaiden is basically what Tek making a law in Allanak is. Each enclave gets two votes. If Seniors are black-robes, juniors are red-robes, and tend to sheep unless they're particularly against a vote passing. except according to you she keeps getting her way because of two people, not five. Your past arguments dont exist in a vacuum. They dont cease to exist as soon as they inconvenienc you. How do you know the staff aren't reasonably voting on behalf of the council? because according to you she's only able to get away with what shes doing because there are only 4 PC barons. You really shouldnt try to discredt my source on this one since you're my source. You remmber saying that one post ago, right? Because it's still thre to be quoted again. I'm mostly here because alot of the crap that's being posted is scaring off potential players from an otherwise awesome game. It's always the same four sentiments: *I don't like that a powerful character is powerful/I don't like that a rich character is rich. *I'm unwilling to have my comparatively powerless character eat humble pie or suck up to further my character's IC goals. *I'm unwilling to make a character with the power to actually challenge the status quo. *I don't like that another character is being unkind to mine. Ive seen two very, very specific complaints as to why the game is unplayable from the malcontents WHO USED TO RECOMMEND AND DEFEND EOE ON THIS BOARD OF MALCONTENTS: - Nadu is disproportionately powerful to the point they can shut down anythng significant, even things that should be the purview of other Enclaves (everyone complaining)
- The playerbase is inexperienced (which was del)
what's that phrase that keeps showing up on our board? "If everybodys complaining about one person and are citing one person as the reason they leave forever, theres a problem with that one person." (still no response)
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Post by lurklord on Jan 21, 2015 21:00:18 GMT -5
If you don't know the difference between a Senior and Junior Baron then it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.
I'm done debating you since I'm 99% you don't know the lore and what Aniah isn't feeding you is being pulled out your ass.
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Post by delerak on Jan 21, 2015 21:02:41 GMT -5
Can we just move on from this topic? There's a clear communication gap and the bickering isn't leading to any actual discussion. If you want to see how EoE functions go play it.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jan 21, 2015 21:02:44 GMT -5
It's very hard for me to want to debate you when any post or point I make is immediately countered with "lol deflection." lol straw man If you don't know the difference between a Senior and Junior Baron then it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. And this addresses the fact your entire side of this argument has been "She only gets away with this because there are 3 other barons and the other 2 agree with her" how..? Sure is. And I'll quote it right now. I bolded a word for since you must have missed it the first time. What did i miss? your arguments have consistntly been that there are only 4 people playing barons, 2 agree with nadu, which is how she gets her way. Bold-facing the word "senior" doesn't change that. But since you're eliminating more and more of our discussion to try and derail this conversation, heres what you left out. And more deflections. Your explanation of "One person always gets her way because two people agree with her" doesnt take away from the fact people are complaining shes made the other Enclaves irrelevant and has taken things (e.g. that sundown artifact) she shouldnt have. This question might seem a bt "obvious and self-explanatory" but why arent the staff voting on behalf of the Council roles that aren't flled to keep her from effectively being Queen? *She didn't take it. She brought it off someone that did. Someone Sundown wronged. Did people complain the person who originally took the bow was getting staff favouritism? Has sundown made any attempt to take it back? And deflections again. *My explanation of "One person always gets her way because two people agree with her" is the whole idea behind the council. 6/10 votes in Kaiden is basically what Tek making a law in Allanak is. Each enclave gets two votes. If Seniors are black-robes, juniors are red-robes, and tend to sheep unless they're particularly against a vote passing. except according to you she keeps getting her way because of two people, not five. Your past arguments dont exist in a vacuum. They dont cease to exist as soon as they inconvenienc you. How do you know the staff aren't reasonably voting on behalf of the council? because according to you she's only able to get away with what shes doing because there are only 4 PC barons. You really shouldnt try to discredt my source on this one since you're my source. You remmber saying that one post ago, right? Because it's still thre to be quoted again. I'm mostly here because alot of the crap that's being posted is scaring off potential players from an otherwise awesome game. It's always the same four sentiments: *I don't like that a powerful character is powerful/I don't like that a rich character is rich. *I'm unwilling to have my comparatively powerless character eat humble pie or suck up to further my character's IC goals. *I'm unwilling to make a character with the power to actually challenge the status quo. *I don't like that another character is being unkind to mine. Ive seen two very, very specific complaints as to why the game is unplayable from the malcontents WHO USED TO RECOMMEND AND DEFEND EOE ON THIS BOARD OF MALCONTENTS: - Nadu is disproportionately powerful to the point they can shut down anythng significant, even things that should be the purview of other Enclaves (everyone complaining)
- The playerbase is inexperienced (which was del)
what's that phrase that keeps showing up on our board? "If everybodys complaining about one person and are citing one person as the reason they leave forever, theres a problem with that one person." (still no response)
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Post by mood on Jan 21, 2015 21:43:47 GMT -5
e: whoops, emails were going to spam
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Post by Jeshin on Jan 21, 2015 23:15:19 GMT -5
I really don't get why people think this board is full of 'malcontents' and 'whiners'... Most of the MUDs that are listed in this poll were brought up because someone on the board gave positive feedback about them at some point or time and still plays them or retracted their support after playing it for a period of time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 23:44:10 GMT -5
People don't like not being able to spin the publicity for the things they work on, and when you have a free exchange of critical ideas especially, you come across those who feel threatened, or alienated, or in some way don't relate, and thus everyone who's different in experience or opinion for the critical is 'whining'. Since the people in question don't share those views, they of course can't be logical, thus those who share a critical view are labelled (dismissively) as just "malcontents".
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Post by mood on Jan 22, 2015 0:18:10 GMT -5
anaiah your posts itt do come off as whining
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