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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 1:22:10 GMT -5
Only people want to build things, which requires property, which requires Nadu. Want a horse? Too bad it's 7k and you can't make that coin anywhere without trading on promises that require extensive ass kissing to deliver on, etc etc. People want to own things, which requires money, which requires Nadu. Note: I maintain that a lot of things don't require money, and am right about that, I have a pc who's multiple IC years old who has never traded for anything but barter. But getting others on board with that is not a feasible reality. I've spent RL months trying to convince others to play ball. If you're the only one doing it, it doesn't work. from you're posts what i'm reading is that you're bad at playing politics. kiss ass. flatter. get what you want, slowly, one piece at a time. and then stab that bitch in the throat. There's a difference between being bad at playing politics and having the one person you need the approval of to get anything done hating your pc before they ever even met, because of the word of someone else (the bff of Lily, who is super tight with Nathiria being the dead former girlfriend of Nathiria's family member, and Lily being convinced they were fooling around and then talking a bunch of shit about her, et al). Yeah, not my fault that people automatically assume that my pc is banging someone then run their mouths. The ironic thing is, they never would have (almost a year later) wound up involved if not for the rumors and ensuing fallout. It's all stupid beyond words. TL:DR: It doesn't matter how good you are at politicing if someone hates you due to the jealous delusions of a teenage girl who's lied about you ahead of time, then you never get much chance to interact with them to even try to change it, before they decide they hate your whole family. My pc isn't the only one who's had the instant knee-jerk disapproval of the same irrational person based on lies and rumors, and had it ruin any number of options as a result, before ever having even met the person. See: Crosolino Griff-Kaden as another result. She's overly judgemental, happy to believe rumors about people she hasn't met, and will never actually give you a fair shake as a result. Hell, Kevin had her family member that my pc wound up involved with. The guy was totally in love with her, but she kept trying to force him through things like having him jumped or his clothes stolen or taking away all his duties, to bow and scrape and beg at her. When he wouldn't/didn't (as an older male, in a patriarchal, sexist society), she pretty much blackballs him. She thinks he got my pc pregnant almost a year later and kicks him out of the Enclave, saying he stole 100k coins that I was there to watch her give to him and tell him to have fun with - ps: Most of those coins got spent setting players up and hiring them out, and paying family employees. It's all too stupid for words. *sighs and shakes her head* It's so stupid it's literally exhausting.
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Post by delerak on Jan 19, 2015 1:33:23 GMT -5
All fucking irrelevent. One PC shouldn't have all the power. I stand by my suspicions that the Nadu are a pet clan of the staff and that the Nadu PC running off most RPI vets is the staff Alaire (Jazets wife).
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jan 19, 2015 1:40:25 GMT -5
killing someone is useless without someone groomed to take their place tho Ehhhh... i'm gonna disagree. if you limit your actions to only when everythng is perfect, you're not going to get shit done. Because youre too dependent on other player's actions. And in this case, reliant on those actions being reliably realstic. EOE sounds like it needs to have some of the shittier parts of the playrbase adjusted before you can get anything lke realistic politicking going.
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Post by tektolnes on Jan 19, 2015 20:19:00 GMT -5
I think a lot of the problem, (at least when I was playing for all of like 2 weeks) was that most of this stuff wasn't documented. The games docs consisted of a few paragraphs of prose that didn't explain a whole lot. And it certainly didn't mention that the game was run on a single-point trickle-down economic system. It was at least a month or two into the game by the time that necessary piece of information came out, and once it did everything started to make a lot more sense to me. And probably other players too, because suddenly there seemed to be fewer of them.
Beyond that, it also meant that you had no idea how to play a character, because there was this "invent the world as you go" mentality. You would play by your assumptions drawn from a documentation page that you could read over twice in the same bowel movement. I read over the docs and gathered that there were these councilors. Were they nobles? Nope. Alright, good then I don't have to bow to them. Next week, they all went by the title "Barron" and "Barroness" overnight suddenly. Like no warning. Okay... guess they are nobles! Gee, that would've been good to know...
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Post by tektolnes on Jan 19, 2015 20:26:28 GMT -5
So a lot of this "be the change" stuff is meaningless. There's hardly enough of an economy to gain the power necessary to overthrow the person who was given virtually unlimited funding, and who has had 90% of the pbase in their pocket since day one. I'm simply not willing to spend that much of my precious free time eating shit, on the slim chance that sometime, months and months down the road from now, I might be able to gank this chick.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jan 19, 2015 20:28:41 GMT -5
Hm. when was that? I'm hearing a lot of things about the game that don't all sync up. But the problem mostly seems to be when the player played rather than subjectivity.
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Post by tektolnes on Jan 19, 2015 23:57:43 GMT -5
August, I believe. I played with Delerak, so whatever time frame he was playing in. (If he mentioned.)
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Post by lurklord on Jan 20, 2015 3:28:29 GMT -5
So a lot of this "be the change" stuff is meaningless. There's hardly enough of an economy to gain the power necessary to overthrow the person who was given virtually unlimited funding, and who has had 90% of the pbase in their pocket since day one. I'm simply not willing to spend that much of my precious free time eating shit, on the slim chance that sometime, months and months down the road from now, I might be able to gank this chick. *Every Baron starts with an absurd amount of wealth. *The vast majority of coin is spent on food/items that offer coded benefits than rentals or dresses. The cross and crown could have been a goldmine since you literally had the only place in Kaiden that had the potential to sell food and other items at the time. That Crosolino decided to sit on his hands, well, that's on him. You could have worked out something with Avasar, Nadu or Sundown to supply you. Failing that, you could have even chosen to hunt your own food and sell that entirely independently. You were getting financially strangled by not doing it, and you didn't seem to really care or realize it. So not only do they not have the manpower and resources to build NEW buildings, they can't even fix ones they were in charge of. I'm not really sure you think the staff doesn't support building when your character was able to build her own personal tower made entirely from resources she dug up without having to leave her enclave. Any other enclave would have had to work to get building materials.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 9:48:05 GMT -5
Inside the Enclave. After I built a CODED tower, almost an IC year later the interior of it was worked on. You still can't cook anything inside it because the fire pit from the room description isn't there, and that's been bugged over an IC year also. And it was built at staff suggestion that she work on making her own "nook". The response I'm quoting is what happened when anything OUTSIDE the Enclave itself was spoken of with regards to being altered.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 9:50:00 GMT -5
The same thing with regards to the shelves there, to the tune of having had to hide all the things that were going to be put in them, so that they wouldn't spam up the room.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 13:36:02 GMT -5
So in SOI, I managed to get crim flagged and hole up in the slums. Does the crim flag only wear off when logged in, or am I a criminal until I get caught?
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Post by Kronibas 2.0 on Jan 20, 2015 15:22:09 GMT -5
I think until you get caught
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Post by japheth on Jan 21, 2015 0:06:25 GMT -5
So in SOI, I managed to get crim flagged and hole up in the slums. Does the crim flag only wear off when logged in, or am I a criminal until I get caught? The engine actually flags you for a particular amount of time that is defined by the crime. I think most non-violent crimes did have expiry times, however most violent crimes did not. It certainly was possible to out-wait some of the minor wanted flags. All times were based on time logged in, not real time passed. That being said, the pedigree of the current SOI codebase is at best a cousin of the SOI code that was running when I was in charge of things, and it could have changed after it branched off.
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Post by delerak on Jan 21, 2015 0:14:21 GMT -5
lol. you got your own tower. wtf? I just wanted my god damn locks to work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 0:36:05 GMT -5
I built the coded tower you can build with an oak branch, and over an IC year later, after a lot of problems around the time I posted here that I thought Nathiria was Alaire, and he sent KEVIN (My husband) a message talking about the pointlessness of the things she was working on, yes, the interior got built, and other people from the Enclave moved in and all. Though originally it was supposed to be used to treat PCs for injuries, but that's apparently going to be a hospital now, which LOL NADU.
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