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Post by val on Mar 31, 2023 9:01:55 GMT -5
Hestia has had some seriously bad takes on gender, but you don't even have to go back more than a few days if you want some transphobic shit. I present you with Bokkr, the person who railed against the use of neutral pronouns for characters back one of the last time I left the game:
Why? Neutral 'they' is what someone would use there in an actual fucking conversation bud.
They still give this guy a keyboard to demonstrate that he hasn't learned anything in however many years it's been? But the game is going to permanently turn around for the better?
Halaster tries. Halaster is not perfect, but he clearly cares and has been trying really hard. However, 50% of the people who 'own' the game and are 'in control of the direction of the game' are completely incapable of learning, growing, or changing.
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Post by lechuck on Mar 31, 2023 9:03:19 GMT -5
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 31, 2023 9:03:22 GMT -5
it just stands out to me that quite a few of you act in the exact same ways as the people you’re railing against. If by this you mean we use words to express arguments, sure, you've got a point. It seems like you're discarding the facts that staff actually have power over the game, actually have a history of harassing players, actually have a history of hurting other people, actually have the ability to rectify all of this, and actually don't bother. Because everyone hurt by staff is just holding onto grievances from the past, and should just leave the game instead of taking staff to task, from Halaster's own words. Idiot.
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Post by lechuck on Mar 31, 2023 9:08:21 GMT -5
Hestia has had some seriously bad takes on gender, but you don't even have to go back more than a few days if you want some transphobic shit. I present you with Bokkr, the person who railed against the use of neutral pronouns for characters back one of the last time I left the game:
Why? Neutral 'they' is what someone would use there in an actual fucking conversation bud.
They still give this guy a keyboard to demonstrate that he hasn't learned anything in however many years it's been? But the game is going to permanently turn around for the better?
Halaster tries. Halaster is not perfect, but he clearly cares and has been trying really hard. However, 50% of the people who 'own' the game and are 'in control of the direction of the game' are completely incapable of learning, growing, or changing.
To be fair, 'he/she' has been commonplace for so long that I don't think one can read any intent into its usage. For all that I think Brokkr is a piece of shit, this is not one of the reasons, in my book. It's much more likely that he just didn't really think about it. I've often wondered if he's even a native speaker, judging by his posts. Transphobia is not something I would ascribe to him based on this.
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Post by metek on Mar 31, 2023 9:08:45 GMT -5
I think those of you banned would be welcomed back just fine. If you choose to go that route, you might find your energy spent better diplomatically making suggestions on how the staff can be more inclusive and how they can exercise better judgement. Too often I've seen people in our community make suggestions about changes to the game from a platform of superiority and moral admonishment, as you may have noted in my anti-bigot finger wagging.
I don't think most of the staff are hateful. I think they're just awkward old nerds who throw up walls when criticized aggressively. High school was hard for all of us and we're still carrying around a lot of those old buttons.
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Post by terminal on Mar 31, 2023 9:11:46 GMT -5
it just stands out to me that quite a few of you act in the exact same ways as the people you’re railing against. If by this you mean we use words to express arguments, sure, you've got a point. It seems like you're discarding the facts that staff actually have power over the game, actually have a history of harassing players, actually have a history of hurting other people, actually have the ability to rectify all of this, and actually don't bother. Because everyone hurt by staff is just holding onto grievances from the past, and should just leave the game instead of taking staff to task, from Halaster's own words. Idiot. b-b-but staff! i’m talking about you.
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Post by val on Mar 31, 2023 9:12:50 GMT -5
Hestia has had some seriously bad takes on gender, but you don't even have to go back more than a few days if you want some transphobic shit. I present you with Bokkr, the person who railed against the use of neutral pronouns for characters back one of the last time I left the game:
Why? Neutral 'they' is what someone would use there in an actual fucking conversation bud.
They still give this guy a keyboard to demonstrate that he hasn't learned anything in however many years it's been? But the game is going to permanently turn around for the better?
Halaster tries. Halaster is not perfect, but he clearly cares and has been trying really hard. However, 50% of the people who 'own' the game and are 'in control of the direction of the game' are completely incapable of learning, growing, or changing.
To be fair, 'he/she' has been commonplace for so long that I don't think one can read any intent into its usage. For all that I think Brokkr is a piece of shit, this is not one of the reasons, in my book. It's much more likely that he just didn't really think about it. I've often wondered if he's even a native speaker, judging by his posts. Transphobia is not something I would ascribe to him based on this.
It's not something I ascribe to him based on this, it's something I ascribe to him based on his past conduct. This is just to demonstrate that he hasn't given it a serious thought since he was called out on it years and years ago. I have no hope for change.
Transphobic isn't just having a hatred of trans folks. It's also just engaging in shitty negative attitudes, like casual erasure. I doubt the guy hates trans folks. He can't even remember that nonbinary people exist.
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 31, 2023 9:14:21 GMT -5
If by this you mean we use words to express arguments, sure, you've got a point. It seems like you're discarding the facts that staff actually have power over the game, actually have a history of harassing players, actually have a history of hurting other people, actually have the ability to rectify all of this, and actually don't bother. Because everyone hurt by staff is just holding onto grievances from the past, and should just leave the game instead of taking staff to task, from Halaster's own words. Idiot. b-b-but staff! i’m talking about you. You are talking about staff when you compare how I communicate to how the "people I'm railing against" communicate, you idiot.
I'm not surprised that Armageddon players can't read, but Jesus Christ.
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Post by jesantu on Mar 31, 2023 9:14:48 GMT -5
I live far, far from America or the West and have absolutely no idea what all this is about.
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 31, 2023 9:15:08 GMT -5
I think those of you banned would be welcomed back just fine. If you choose to go that route, you might find your energy spent better diplomatically making suggestions on how the staff can be more inclusive and how they can exercise better judgement. Too often I've seen people in our community make suggestions about changes to the game from a platform of superiority and moral admonishment, as you may have noted in my anti-bigot finger wagging. I don't think most of the staff are hateful. I think they're just awkward old nerds who throw up walls when criticized aggressively. High school was hard for all of us and we're still carrying around a lot of those old buttons. I put in an application to join the player committee yesterday. Wish me luck.
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Post by jesantu on Mar 31, 2023 9:18:42 GMT -5
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Post by lechuck on Mar 31, 2023 9:21:13 GMT -5
I think those of you banned would be welcomed back just fine. If you choose to go that route, you might find your energy spent better diplomatically making suggestions on how the staff can be more inclusive and how they can exercise better judgement. Too often I've seen people in our community make suggestions about changes to the game from a platform of superiority and moral admonishment, as you may have noted in my anti-bigot finger wagging. I don't think most of the staff are hateful. I think they're just awkward old nerds who throw up walls when criticized aggressively. High school was hard for all of us and we're still carrying around a lot of those old buttons. Most people here are not banned. Outside of bizarre and unreasonable examples like Bebop, it actually takes an incredible amount of immediate abuse to get banned. I've repeatedly announced that I've had many accounts over the years, as well as the identities of a number of my characters, without ever getting banned. Aside from select individuals whose bannings have been a recent subject of discussion, this is probably not a community of banned individuals. We just don't want to play this garbage game anymore.
There is no longer any such thing as "our community." Not only staff's conduct but also the idiotic, disingenuous bullshit of morons like you has made that clear. There are two demographics in the ArmageddonMUD community: the ones who are witless idiots, like you, and those who have seen that the people who still defend this game belong to the former category.
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Post by terminal on Mar 31, 2023 9:23:21 GMT -5
b-b-but staff! i’m talking about you. You are talking about staff when you compare how I communicate to how the "people I'm railing against" communicate, you idiot.
I'm not surprised that Armageddon players can't read, but Jesus Christ.
i’m talking about you.
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 31, 2023 9:25:05 GMT -5
You are talking about staff when you compare how I communicate to how the "people I'm railing against" communicate, you idiot.
I'm not surprised that Armageddon players can't read, but Jesus Christ.
i’m talking about you.
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Post by lechuck on Mar 31, 2023 9:28:54 GMT -5
To be fair, 'he/she' has been commonplace for so long that I don't think one can read any intent into its usage. For all that I think Brokkr is a piece of shit, this is not one of the reasons, in my book. It's much more likely that he just didn't really think about it. I've often wondered if he's even a native speaker, judging by his posts. Transphobia is not something I would ascribe to him based on this.
It's not something I ascribe to him based on this, it's something I ascribe to him based on his past conduct. This is just to demonstrate that he hasn't given it a serious thought since he was called out on it years and years ago. I have no hope for change.
Transphobic isn't just having a hatred of trans folks. It's also just engaging in shitty negative attitudes, like casual erasure. I doubt the guy hates trans folks. He can't even remember that nonbinary people exist.
Fair enough. It's not something I normally notice, I just didn't want it to be a situation where using 'he/she' was equal to transphobia. I've not kept track of any other instances where he has shown such a side of himself. I dislike him for entirely different reasons.
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