metek
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Post by metek on Mar 30, 2023 21:35:14 GMT -5
If they were, they could be referring to the virulent and unabashed homophobia. One type of bigotry complements another, after all.
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pinkerdlu
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Post by pinkerdlu on Mar 30, 2023 22:04:19 GMT -5
If they were, they could be referring to the virulent and unabashed homophobia. One type of bigotry complements another, after all. Welp hopefully that's your first AND last post on these boards.
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Post by lechuck on Mar 30, 2023 22:13:10 GMT -5
If they were, they could be referring to the virulent and unabashed homophobia. One type of bigotry complements another, after all. Come on, not even pinkerdlu exhibits anything that can be classified as virulent homophobia. If anything, that may be the one type of bigotry that I've never seen expressed here.
Try harder, MeTekillot. Apply yourself.
Cunt.
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Post by eukelade on Mar 30, 2023 23:13:09 GMT -5
The changes are good, yeah, and if they stick to them then people will feel more comfortable playing in their space. The problem is, they have a history of going back on their word, as a body. Plus, you can ASK for forgiveness, but you can't demand it. I don't want to analyze every line of that post, because I do see that they are trying. However, they are still in a censoring mindset, and want people to either come back and play, or go away and shut up. The fact that they did not immediately unban everyone that they kneejerk banned within the last month, as if they suddenly got amnesia is ridiculous. Pointing to the fact that they cannot reach WAY back doesn't account for their stubborn refusal on this point. People can be around you, hate your guts, and still enjoy being with their friends.
I recall, years ago, Brokkr making a post after another such blowup, where he wanted to know if people were demanding that they rub their heads in ash for forgiveness. Like... no. The fact that the spectrum is so black and white, "Honestly make an effort" or "Well, why don't I just castigate myself", is an issue that only they can work on. It's NOT everyone else's responsibility to deal with the feelinsg of someone that holds power over them or their experience. That's like Elon Musk getting butthurt when people openly say that they don't like him, and he retaliates by banning their account (sorry to anyone that actually likes that guy).
For me, I might actually have wanted to go back, at some point, but I feel highly unsafe doing so. Stating again, that when I told Brokkr that I was hesitant on joining the staff team for safety reasons because people were concerned about stalking, as SOON as I met the staff team... like the very MOMENT I was in front of everyone, he mentioned what state AND city I lived in. Information that I had NEVER put out there for anyone. My husband was immediately alarmed, and then got pissed, and if I lived alone, I'd have been terrified. I don't even think Brokkr did it out of malice, or I hope not, I just geniuinely think the is that fucking clueless about how anyone would react to that. I don't want to give them ANY chance of getting my personal information again.
(EDIT - I want to also add, that when Brokkr mentioned this, he also let me know that he was an hour or so away. Again... I just... I had no idea how to respond then and just laughed it off, but it wouldn't be pretty NOW)
That's ASIDE from the fact that he knew Akaria broke the rules in her interactions with my character and made it seem as if he had no idea why I was so upset. She should have been temporarily banned when she enacted a torture scene without consent. According to their rules, PERIOD. I don't trust that they will stick to their word on their promises, because staff let their own personal feelings on interpretations of the rules (This doesn't bother me, so I'm mystified why it bothers you) stand rather than just FOLLOWING them. Then they act all confused when people flip their shit. If anything, I'd want to know what the fuck was going through their head when they make these rulings, but it ultimately doesn't matter.
I want to know why it was acceptable for MY first character to spend months being harassed for shit Shallooonsh's character (Zhaka Kadius) in my clan did (or did not) do. I don't personally hate Shalooonsh, but when I think back and realize that I was left with a huge pile of crap to handle because of the actions of a Storyteller's character, I get very annoyed. Hell, even if he WASN'T a Storyteller at the time, that's bullshit.
And sorry, they can't make me shut up about it, even if I'm not a part of "their space" anymore. I used to try to be nice and accomodating, but fuck that. They have no control over what the fuck I say.
Bokkr doesn't mind it when people break the consent rule. After all, he never asked me for consent during all the torture scenes his NPC performed on my character.
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punished ppurg
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Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
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Post by punished ppurg on Mar 30, 2023 23:19:52 GMT -5
If they were, they could be referring to the virulent and unabashed homophobia. One type of bigotry complements another, after all.
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baobob
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Post by baobob on Mar 30, 2023 23:44:05 GMT -5
* chef's kiss *
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Mar 31, 2023 0:19:55 GMT -5
I had two more while the inspiration was still in me. Have to put them somewhere.
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 31, 2023 4:57:04 GMT -5
Least heavy-handed "player moderator" action
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delirium
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Post by delirium on Mar 31, 2023 6:39:49 GMT -5
"There are some who feel like they cannot move beyond the past issues, who feel like they can never trust staff again, and who never intend to play again. To those people we are sorry you feel that way, and if we could change the past we would. But we kindly ask you do not linger in the community just to stir up past issues and rekindle grudges. We wish you the very best and hope you find a community where you feel happy and safe as you move on."
WELL IF Y'ALL KNEW HOW TO ACTUALLY APOLOGIZE OR TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY the first 371926 times you were unrepentant shits--
Look at that "sorry you feel that way" non-apology, it's like a textbook on how NOT to speak to hurt and alienated people.
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Post by lechuck on Mar 31, 2023 6:50:42 GMT -5
"I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt."
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 31, 2023 6:55:25 GMT -5
I genuinely don't understand how some staff members got through their lives up until this point. Do they have friends? A career? Has no one ever told them to their face how socially inept they are?
Sometimes I'm not sure whether to mock or feel sorry for them.
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metek
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Post by metek on Mar 31, 2023 7:41:42 GMT -5
You guys have some good points about the sorely needed policy shakeups. As well, I was one of the people who went out of my way to avoid Shaloonsh.
I also find it bizarre that Delirium and Ender haven't been unbanned. Is there somewhere you posted your correspondence with staff? They can be bullheaded and belligerent but I would like to see that there wasn't some snide diatribe from your end that hasn't been mentioned. I don't mean to be rude, but our community is known for that sort of thing.
Back to the homophobia: You guys toss around the word fag without a single care. I tossed it into your search bar and saw six pages. I've been watching your boards for a while as well and it's by no means the only manner of bigotry I've seen communicated here carte blanch.
I remember you first banned me from here for trying to draw attention to it with a post that had a few other slurs in it but I suppose I hadn't participated in enough anti admin circlejerks to cash in for the Consequence Free Casual Slur Use.
Anyway. Shaloonsh being gone is good and it took way too long, but you all of course continue to castigate the Armageddon staff for misogyny WITHOUT IRONY while you let hateful language run amok over here.
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 31, 2023 7:55:11 GMT -5
Seems like one of the biggest users of homophobic slurs was Kronibas, who is now a happy player and defender of Armageddon. And sadly Hestia's no longer on staff as of just a few days ago, so we can't ask her what she thinks of trans and non-binary people.
Between 2020 and 2023 I don't see any uses of it at all. At and before 2020 most of its usage is in quotes of other people's posts. Saying "six pages" is disingenuous.
The board has obviously attracted a lot of LGBTQ+ people who regularly post here. I would genuinely feel bad if they don't feel safe posting here, but I haven't seen any indication that they don't.
The fixation on the past juvenile use of slurs is weird when the game has people on its side that actively attacks LGBTQ+ people.
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Post by terminal on Mar 31, 2023 8:00:22 GMT -5
You guys have some good points about the sorely needed policy shakeups. As well, I was one of the people who went out of my way to avoid Shaloonsh. I also find it bizarre that Delirium and Ender haven't been unbanned. Is there somewhere you posted your correspondence with staff? They can be bullheaded and belligerent but I would like to see that there wasn't some snide diatribe from your end that hasn't been mentioned. I don't mean to be rude, but our community is known for that sort of thing. Back to the homophobia: You guys toss around the word fag without a single care. I tossed it into your search bar and saw six pages. I've been watching your boards for a while as well and it's by no means the only manner of bigotry I've seen communicated here carte blanch. I remember you first banned me from here for trying to draw attention to it with a post that had a few other slurs in it but I suppose I hadn't participated in enough anti admin circlejerks to cash in for the Consequence Free Casual Slur Use. Anyway. Shaloonsh being gone is good and it took way too long, but you all of course continue to castigate the Armageddon staff for misogyny WITHOUT IRONY while you let hateful language run amok over here. self-awareness is not on the table. i’m afraid all of the problems being discussed here are the result of someone else inflicting it upon us and under no circumstances will anyone take any responsibility for.. anything. please do not try to point out anyone’s role in any of this unless they’re a gdb communist(?) or member of staff. please excuse me now, i have to go back to moving the goalposts. again.
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Post by terminal on Mar 31, 2023 8:04:35 GMT -5
Seems like one of the biggest users of homophobic slurs was Kronibas, who is now a happy player and defender of Armageddon. And sadly Hestia's no longer on staff as of just a few days ago, so we can't ask her what she thinks of trans and non-binary people. Between 2020 and 2023 I don't see any uses of it at all. At and before 2020 most of its usage is in quotes of other people's posts. Saying "six pages" is disingenuous. The board has obviously attracted a lot of LGBTQ+ people who regularly post here. I would genuinely feel bad if they don't feel safe posting here, but I haven't seen any indication that they don't. The fixation on the past juvenile use of slurs is weird when the game has people on its side that actively attacks LGBTQ+ people. this is the craziest shit i’ve ever read. did shabago dictate this to you? how the fuck you gonna rail against staff using this exact same language only to steal their template?
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