Response to Brokkr

1.) If you want to kill people behind locked doors: Pick a subguild or guild with pick. The skill lists are available through the website and help files.
2.) Poison doesn't care what your strength is--it cares what your endurance is. So in that respect, dwarves are too strong, but it's not a direct correlation with strength. I've already stated my opinion on dwarves in that they should be karma required.
3.) Strength prioritization is not the optimal strategy for people who use hide/sneak. Hide/sneak will allow you to play the game dynamically for PvP, as will many other skills, rather than treating the game like a sparring simulator where you have to Samurai Jack your way through the Known World.

I don't think I'm arguing against keeping strength the way that it is. I was posting to reflect alternatives to the mainstream idea that strength is the only way to kill people. On the contrary, strength doesn't get you anything but a "puncher's chance" if you're relying upon that to win you the day. You ought to stack strength with other factors such as eliminating exits, using poisons, or recruiting allies to help you kill someone. Strength by itself is not a winnable condition except against untrained PCs, which... you can use anything to kill them. So why bother being mad about it?

-is friday.

technically correct so ill fix that for u

str + good weapon/off/def skills is a very winnable condition on its own against trained pcs

I dont think you fought experienced fighters too often.

Strength does not add to hit.

Reel locking gets rarer and rarer. Its feasible to train your pain tolerance to such levels that you end up teasing Meks and Gajaks to get further reel training. Which often tends to end badly, even for HG/dwarf/Muls


Bludgeoning weapons are scary though and if someone jumps you while you are seated and unarmed, a quick kill is very likely and high strength definitely helps with it greatly.

Yes, because a dying game will solve its problems by making it less interesting to play via removal of role options or gating even more things behind karma. How about they just scrap the shit skill/class system and start anew with something that makes sense? The change was ridiculous and has just stirred the issues around rather than fixed them. For this type of game random rolls for chargen is just straight up dumb. It should be a point-buy system. Think for a second, who is going to want to spend 10-20-30-100+ days played on a character that is a total turkey because it rolled shit at chargen? It is unreasonable and unrealistic for staff or anyone to expect you to suffer through a character that outright blows.

The argument about PKing is a poor red herring. Who are these imaginary people making the absolutist statements that "strength is the only way to kill people"? The original argument is two-fold: 1) strength is overrepresented in the game code and the optimal stat for combat characters and 2)that stat randomization is inherently detrimental and players will naturally work to ensure the character they sink hundreds of real-life hours into is not gimped.

No one is saying 'hurf derf strength only way to kill player'.


lol, no one is claiming that it's the 'optimal strategy' (whatever that means) but it's def the optimal stat. The benefits of strength for a rogue-type character are huge: backstab and throw receive damage bonuses from strength. for throw, increased damage directly leads to an increased chance to knock down.



a dumb and disingenuous statement, what a surprise from a GDB poster.

no one is 'mad' about it. people are pointing out how the gameplay is broken and the meta revolves around a single stat. it is an objectively true statement which can be backed up by code and statistics. you made a bunch of posts to defeat arguments that no one made, and the even dumber part is that the tactics you list will work even better if the player has a high strength.

the flow of the argument is very simple:
1) players and staff frown upon players suiciding characters, a behavior which is largely driven for the desire to have a better stat roll.
2) players want a better stat roll because it provides them a large boon to gameplay and they are willing to spend a couple hours to optimize a character they spend hundreds of hours on.
3) this issue may be sidestepped entirely by removing a system which is unfun and unfair to the players and allowing players to allocate stat points, as is the standard of most roleplaying games.

you're stuck huffing your farts on #2 and going 'hrrrngh it's not THAT BIG of an advantage'. get with the times.