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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 11:54:17 GMT -5
yup.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 12:04:57 GMT -5
(that said, I do admire your prove it to me attitude, but this isn't exactly worth the effort required to "prove to qwerty what everyone else already knows... and I, myself, have never played ARM more than like 20 minutes, total. But this is a small community, staff/players interchange between games, and the shit you cause will stink around you for a long time and people remember.)
Well. Thing is. The way you describe Rishte, is not how I know Adhira. In a sense, Adhira have fought toxicity and is responsible for some of the "good" changes that happened in Arm. A lot of people who left due to Noted Liar Nergal's antics, came back, because Adhira basically apologized for Noted Liar Nergal's behavior on GDB. She was the peacemaker amongst the Producers. Where other staff would either dismiss known/perceived troublemakers, she'd give them multiple chances. Often organizing conversations, where both sides could speak their points real time on port. She also knew nothing at all about code, while Rishte evidently was a good coder. Just a bunch of incongruities between how you describe Rishte and how I know Adhira, makes me think they're two different people. She was like this matron of some tribe. Refusing to store, despite the tribe's prolonged downtime and low membership counts, she would persist and keep the tribe alive, gradually teaching those who do show up and giving them support and infrastructure to flourish. Usually, only to watch them die to Carru the next day. She wasnt all that 'exciting' as a player, but power hungry, or opportunistic, or ambitious, or toxic, is not how I would describe Adhira.
Ironically enough. I once had a discussion about another player. She was never staff as far as I know. I forgot her name now, but she played Lyvren the Blue. An Excellent roleplayer, but with ... some significantly eerie controlling/manipulating/duplicity tendencies IRL. She used to staff at SoI and got kicked out. But ... I too might be confusing things.
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Post by faroukel on Feb 13, 2019 12:07:59 GMT -5
Anyways man, I like how you play devils advocate, question shit and piss people off.
Makes for an interesting convo at the least.
But I do think you need to recognize that a lot of your cohorts are kinda shitty people, or at least became shittier when involved in a toxic environment with some responsibilities. When you do, I hope you call them out for it.
(and you're right, I don't 100% REMEMBER all the facts. truth is, I didn't care at the time. All I know is Rishte is/was an ARM staffer, apparently started with an A. I didn't even know this place existed up until Rishte and co. pulled the plug on SoI forums. Now I just read it cause...I don't know? Entertainment..)
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Post by jcarter on Feb 13, 2019 12:14:44 GMT -5
Because some nerdy socially awkward woman who plays MUDs hit on another socially awkward person who plays MUDs, got rejected, and then spent who knows how long avenging her butthurt feelings via lame methods. Because of this, the creative work of 27+ years is anathema and anyone who participates in it, must cover their head in ash, register themselves as sex offenders, and ... castrate themselves? qwerty workin' that damage control and licking them boots. no, you shouldn't castrate yourselves because of that. you should castrate yourselves because of that and every other incident. you and the rest of staff have a pattern of pettiness, cheating, and harassment. this has been going on for literally 20 years now. since you want to pretend the only two things i mentioned in a single sentenced were the only thing that happened, let's list everything we remember. we can look back at the OG days of Halaster, Bhag, and Sanvean's mary sue setup. do you want to talk about the Plainsman's cheating? how about the decades of the gypsies being a staff kewl kids klub? how about shalooonsh's One Fang character, complete with his own secret lair and custom sorcery? spawnloser's staff avatar getting caught loading up some Krathi rangz for his mort character i've posted my story about how i had notes accusing me of OOC actions placed on my account 8 months after IC events occurred. i've also posted my story about sanvean accusing me of trying to OOCly evade a death only to realize she fucked up and messed up the details because she didn't spend two minutes investigating. should we talk about nyr harassing people and banning the wrong accounts because someone posts here? what about other attempts by staff to spy on here by tracking IP addresses? we can rehash nergal harassing players, or talk more about how staffers leaked his shit and doxxed him. we already brought up kronibas being undressed, although furnishing minor to alcohols was to more than just him. what happens at dragoncon stays at dragoncon, unless a staff member broadcasts themselves pissing on a player roflmao. how about nessalin's fragile ego and hair-trigger temper that causes him to have a temper tantrum and ban anyone these are the events that i remembered and encountered, and by no means is comprehensive. i'm sure you have a little bootlicker answer to dismiss every single one of those because you're too much of a pathetic worm to stand up and say 'yeah that's pretty fucked up dude and not ok, i hope that person fucks off'. degenerates like you were the ones that enabled dudes like Jerry Sandusky for years. like you said, it's been 27+ years and you losers never change. staff have come and go, yet there's still another piece of shit ready to step up and prove that Arm staff are rotten down to the core. you tell me what the issue is. you're the one on staff. how is it that you can have so many different people and yet still have the same shitty behavior? whether it was nessalin, azroen, bhaghavra, nyr, nergal, and whoever else. you dethrone one dweeb, and there's another gabarge person to take his place.
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Post by jcarter on Feb 13, 2019 12:20:14 GMT -5
Anyways man, I like how you play devils advocate, question shit and piss people off.
Makes for an interesting convo at the least.
But I do think you need to recognize that a lot of your cohorts are kinda shitty people, or at least became shittier when involved in a toxic environment with some responsibilities. When you do, I hope you call them out for it.
(and you're right, I don't 100% REMEMBER all the facts. truth is, I didn't care at the time. All I know is Rishte is/was an ARM staffer, apparently started with an A. I didn't even know this place existed up until Rishte and co. pulled the plug on SoI forums. Now I just read it cause...I don't know? Entertainment..) he's not playing devil's advocate, he's trying to provide damage control. there's nothing about qwerty that's in good faith. in one breath he'll describe this a random amalgamation of players as a hivemind while complaining that it views a group of vetted and selected people signed to a behavior contract as a hivemind, without a hint of self-awareness. he'll make demands for proof, knowing that players can't without jeopardizing their hand or are unwilling to. meanwhile, he doesn't provide any proof to back up his claims. in this thread alone, he's asking for evidence while making claims without providing any evidence to support it. he's had multiple user accounts that he's deleted in protest, only to come crawling back again. he's garbage of the lowest form and lacks any sense of integrity. he's exactly what you would expect of a staff member.
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Post by faroukel on Feb 13, 2019 12:24:39 GMT -5
Fair enough. Keep him around though. Like I said, reading you shredding shit up gets me through me work day.
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Post by seuly on Feb 13, 2019 12:27:57 GMT -5
He’s definitely drinking the kool-aid.
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Post by jcarter on Feb 13, 2019 12:29:06 GMT -5
i'd also like to point out that besides providing damage control, qwerty has PMed users here asking for their account names under the guise of 'getting to the bottom' of situations. so he's either willing to leak staff-confidential material to players (while condemning us for just that) or he's phishing for user info.
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Post by faroukel on Feb 13, 2019 12:31:00 GMT -5
Damn. Hypocrite. -10 points.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 13:03:28 GMT -5
The issue is that Armageddon staff is a position drawn from other players. If this was a 'paid' position, we'd have professionally trained staff with a degree law and psychology for administration. A position they'd care for, because it's their livelyhood. It wouldnt be 'entertainment' for them, or a way to realize themselves in ways they cant otherwise. It would be their 'job' and they'd have to do it professionally, immaculately, responsibly, and ... properly. Instead this is a hobby made by nerds, ran by nerds, played by nerds. It's a good question. Why is it whenever one asshole dissapears, another one shows up? Because that's life. Because people who are not assholes do not have time to play MUDs, or if they do, mostly dont have time to admin them. Effort is obviously made. There are rules. There are people 'passionate' about the game, who want it running smoothly, and are working hard to mire through a list of candidates, to gradually build a team that "stays" and are not assholes. But this is a non stop work in progress that might never ever finish. Name ten veteran players who are still circling around the game and probably half of them are either staff, or ex-staff. Some of the players who you think are rad and 'on your side' as players, were probably at one point staffers who told you "no" in a request. It's easier to become staff then to become a Templar sometimes. The calls for new staff sometimes happen more often then for Templars. The circulation rate is probably faster then Kadius roles (that means fast). I've used this example before. We had a Mafia game long ago and we asked TopKek to admin it. He agreed and we played. I think we had fun, or at least I did. Here's the link armageddonmud.boards.net/thread/601/mafia-threadNotice Topkek's posts. They begin fine, then grow ruder and ruder, then rushed judgements, and finally ... abandonment. The game never actually finished. There was fun had. Some people screwed up. Some things were badly explained and badly set up. The admin who is a cool dude, in the end turned to be an ass, and never finished the project. This describes 75% of staff. This describes 75% of 'all of us', who play MUDs. The progression is actually a good description of what often happens to staff, or in truth, people who get themselves a glimpse of authority "and" responsibility. You say that I've got something to say to excuse "everything". But most of my posts regarding issues are, "Can I haz more info?" There are shit things that I admitted are shit and condemned them as well. If you 'genuinely' care, you can simply read my posts I've made before. I often argue things, because guess what? People often cant argue on these forums! They make a hateful statement. They get echoed by people who are into that kind of thing. A big portion of them havent even played in decades, they just like the to bask in hatred. But the moment you poke at their statements? It's all bs bs bs bs. Oh! Some ST told me someone's this, but I dont remember the name, or the person, or what they are, or how, or where, or when. But point is! I know this person that they're an asshole! And I 'heard' they're also on staff. Whom? Oh. Some A letter person, but high on top! Oh? You want me to give something that gives a shadow of validity to my posts? What for. Plenty of people here will echo anything I say, as long as it's = Arm Bad! These are the most common style of posts here. Come on! Make an effort! A staffer decided to run a big event plot to release some new content/lore addition. Seems like a cool thing. I mean hey, people complained that when mage guilds got changed, there was no lore or story to the change. So let's do some of that for these new additions. Before the plot even 'began', boom, a whole boatload of hatred pours out. And it's all BS. And it's all about how Arm Bad, and Staff pets, and blah, blah. Some SLK sorcs bullshit? I dont even know if the person was misguided stating IG rumors as fact on these forums, or just spouting bs for giggles. All that hatred and negativity and the plot have not even 'began' yet. You think some staffer is cheating, or just doing something that harms the game and makes "your" personal gameplay worse? Okey. Talk about it! But singing to the choir of maelstorm of hatred is not going to get you heard. Some people here will agree with you. But they'll agree with any statement that has "Arm Bad" in it. What it wont do though, is afffect change. What's worse, it'll make it easily dismissable. Make an effort! Or just enjoy the hatred basking, your choice, I guess. My problem is that this hatred is infectious and it's fucking with people who do not deserve it. They read this bullshit and then when it gets to an interaction with staff, it's suddenly all sharp angles and angry stares. People asking not to animate for them. Or getting triggered into major show downs, the moment staff shows a hint of doubting their intentions. This makes their gameplay shitty. That makes staffers less eager to staff. It was interesting to see this guy that showed up here not too long ago. His wife began playing Arm and he came to the forums to pick up on some code info. He hasnt been jaded by all the negativity, he just wanted some tips and tricks. It was very refreshing and sooo different, then so many people here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 13:04:39 GMT -5
i'd also like to point out that besides providing damage control, qwerty has PMed users here asking for their account names under the guise of 'getting to the bottom' of situations. so he's either willing to leak staff-confidential material to players (while condemning us for just that) or he's phishing for user info.
Yeah, it's true. I've spoken to a bunch of people in PMs and with many I know who they are. Aaaaand? What happened?
lol. Of course I offer information. Have you read my posts? I've participated in most threads that revolved around mechanics, or things that would help newbies learn about the game and lore.
There is a line between that and leaking hacked codebase, or wiki. For D&D players. The difference of talking about the secret motivations of your dead character and taking pics of DM's notes while he's in a bathroom.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2019 13:20:38 GMT -5
So your argument is everyone is staff, people you like are staff, your girlfriend is staff, your best friend is staff. You can't have a problem with us because then you must have a problem with people that you like!
Sir I can have a problem with anyone. Just because I lack information now and have an opinion of someone doesn't mean I cannot change my opinion of them with new information. Like if you were secretly my girlfriend (whom I presumably love) and I find out she is Qwerty. I'd probably be like PORRRRRRRRRRRQUE? And then seriously question why she is going around trolling people with a centrist attitude.
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Post by faroukel on Feb 13, 2019 13:21:41 GMT -5
Eh, you can pick apart my claim, it's all good. I didn't have the mental fortitude nor foresight like 3 years ago to remember the exact name of the person that is Rishte on ARM.
Doesn't change the fact, that she told me herself. And then was confirmed. Maybe I should throw the person under the bus, to assuage qwerty of my veracity.
You're right, that there is a bit of an echo chamber here. It's because the vast majority of people have been fucked with, have experiences which lend to believing. Are there hyenas in the mix, trying to be dicks? Of course. I call them out myself when I can.
armageddonmud.boards.net/thread/918/staff-complaints-player?page=4
The fact is, if you're on staff, you should either know the truth behind the complaints, and as Jcarter says, you're just running damage control by being a dick rider. Which is cool, in its own way, I guess...Or, you've got your head in the sand, or are just out of the loop of the Kool Kids.
Anyways, from now on, anytime I want to sling mud about future topics, I'll be sure to create a repository of information to cite for qwerty's purposes, and see how he belly twists and equivocates out of it.
Should be fun to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 13:21:54 GMT -5
Can you pick up some bread on your way home, honey?
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Post by lyse on Feb 13, 2019 13:28:10 GMT -5
If qwerty is staff, it’s really not a good look for him or the game honestly. It probably was best when they kept the “we don’t go over there” policy.
Sometimes the best damage control is simply not responding. Prior to him coming here this board was pretty much dead and most of the secret stuff it exposed was pretty irrelevant or outdated(it was hilarious seeing Lizzie post a screenshot of the map from here on the gdb though). I know most of the GDB reads it, they won’t be swayed by any opinions or logs posted here because at this point it’s pretty much hardcore players left. Also, him posting a contrary anything isn’t going to change any of the regular posters opinions of the game either, because we know he’s full of crap.
Sometimes damage control just isn’t the most effective solution.
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