Hey Bebop

I can literally respond with that exact sentence to your post, Ppurg and it will have the same meaning and context.


Staff definitely wanted raiders in the game. The mmh mechanic came out and they were working alongside its guidelines. None of CW members get any boons, or help with anything they did. Every raid, every kill, every escape was performed by player methods and means. Name another group of people who didnt die out in as long a time it took CW to get their hq and who didnt get staff support.

Staff was against creation of rf camps as well and yet players still made it happen.

Didn't the Soh near the end with Howls at moon or whatever raid for ages. I mean I know that they had a home base as part of a clan but...

"Name another group of people who didn't die out in as long a time it took CW to get their hq and who didnt get staff support."

Unlike you I don't have access to top level knowledge of IC events that far back. You said name another group, I said how about Howl's/Soh and I indicated they have a base but didn't think they got any staff 'boons' as you call it.

What about that wind witch near the end of tuluk who would go around to the normal hunting spots and create gicker summons and then invis them so when you walked in to fight the tembo you got gang raped... Does that count as raiding, he did that for like 6 months I think.

Well. Yes. Alright. I'll admit. It is unfair that some single whiran who wondered around the world and killed people for half a year, could not build headquarters in Red Storm.

While a group of different players who ran different plots and existed for so long, they became a stable phenomen of desert travel for years, as well as a stable employment opportunity  of one of the chargen starting points, managed to build themselves headquarters.

Yes. A pinnacle of unfairness.

Are you talking about Hasan's group? Not that long ago, there was a discussion on these forums that also stated that Hasan's group was unfairly booned by staff.


To recap the basis of the question and the sheer conversation going on in this thread, Jeshin. The premise was that Crimson Wind is a bunch of 'trust fund' kids. Basically people heavily favored by Staff who got all those boons and toys unfairly to others, basically Staff likes them and not others. Because there were other players who tried to build what Crimson Wind built and staff ignored them, while when CW did it, they got what they wanted. Therefore staff can eat a bag of dicks for playing favorites. That's the general topic that we're discussing and one I was challenging, Jeshin. My arguments to these premises were numerous, but one of them was, "Name other groups like CW who tried and failed." So far, I'm seeing loner players who wondered around and PKed, a group that did indeed also get staff support eventually, after a long time of existence, much like CW, and an already coded and staffed delf tribe who already have headquarters and got plenty of staff support to the plots that they did ran.

I don't know, if I knew their name I'd say it!

As for this thread I thought the point of it was that CW is good and more groups/people should get whatever they got and/or maybe the bar for receiving staff 'boons' should be lower to promote a more diverse game environment with more raiding groups or indie groups?

This would be how you challenge perception...

You lower the bar

You say the bar is lowered

The CW have benefited from this lower bar

You say that they are just the first and hope others will be encouraged

The next indie group or player now needs to benefit from the lowered bar

You will say look here another example, you will face skepticism

Another indie group or player benefits from the lowered bar

You now have a trend forming and the basis by which to argue either everyone is a staff puppet or there is a new policy in place. Ideally someone within the CW, 2nd group, 3rd group is someone who posts on this board and after they die they can share their experience thus corroborating the change in approach.

I personally have not said that CW are staff pets and some others in this very thread have even said they don't want to demean the accomplishment of the CW, they merely want to see more people make similiar accomplishments. Until more people do then you'll have difficulty because they are the exception that proves the rule instead of the rule themselves.