Staff complaints are....player complaints?

144.Doublepalli noted:


145.2018-04-05 07:12:41 (68 days ago)


146.This is going to be long. It's going to tense, as I am aggravated, and that's rare.





Hahahahahahahahahahaha ..... hahahahahahahahah. Spit coffee out on my computer screen when I read that part. That's funny. Def one of the most agitated dudes Ive ever crossed in the RPI mud-verse.

Is it possible they were a warrior / enhancement ruk ?    Armor spells, str and fury, and rotating godspeed in on a exceptional + agi score could have some of the effects you are talking about.

Your explanation is more likely than a 3 exceptional stat base warrior or ranger, but they do happen.

Last year or two, there was a city elf warrior with AI agi and very good wis out of the box who got to spar on Armali and Kull.   The first month of that process was a truly obnoxious rocket upwards.  Both of those vet npcs got weapon misses on that elf who was only 6-10 days played at the time.

High wisdom and the relatively new bonuses for sparring a veteran pc is really no joke.    More than once I've seen advanced weapon skills in 2 days of sparring.   It just takes the veteran being willing to ignore other people and events, and playtimes lining up.

Yeah, it sounds like you ran into a beta build pc who’s intention was to just dookie on any and everybody. Which is the point of the beta testing? See how they match up against the old classes.

It could’ve just been the player decided they were going to just dookie on any and everybody. Like a kid with a new better toy. He might’ve thought everybody would think his character was just awesome because he could kick everybody’s ass out the box. Remember we’re talking about Arm players here. Many of which have the sole goal of lording something over other players. Maturity isn’t synonymous with Arm players.

It would be kind of weird for an SLK character to be magical just because their theme is strongly anti magic. But who knows? The player might’ve just had the karma to burn like Legendary said and they allowed it. It really could be a number of things. It’s a lot of possibilities there.

You’re right though. What’s certain is they handled it funky and ended up losing a player, which is never good. It probably would’ve been easier and much less dramatic for them to tell you it was a guy testing one of the new classes if that was the case. It was pretty clear from your first request that you were fired up and you noticed something was going on, even if your suspicions weren’t quite right. Firing back at you probably shouldn’t have happened.

That goes back to they probably were alright with him running around dookieing on everybody to get his feedback as to how the class played. Long story short, they were probably more interested in his feedback than yours.

That goes back to what I was saying about how sometimes the secret stuff doesn’t really need to be a secret. Especially when it’s crystal clear something is going on. Telling you there’s nothing going on and you’re wrong is kind of insulting.

Various staff members over the years have had a record of fucking with the playerbase. I played a lot from 1995-2007, off and on. I remember in the early days on ISCA, Nessalin and Azroen were known boogeymen who'd use a freeze gun to.. well, obviously, freeze people, and lay down the law, to some varying degree or another. Basically you never wanted to encounter either of them. Years later, Ness was still the same asshole to deal with and you never wanted to deal with him in any form either. Outside of Ness being a giant prick, I was involved in more than one player-driven plot/endeavor that was very clearly and purposefully sabotaged by the staff. They have almost never had an interest in aiding playing driven plots unless the person driving them was a friend/pet or it served their own goals. If it was outside of this they would do everything they could to either destroy it or push the characters, in an unreasonable way, towards something that didn't make a whole lot of sense for the characters involved (but they didn't give a shit about that so long as it kept their status quo). My point being is that staff have almost always been the enforcers of the status-quo of the world and if a player ever tries to make a move that doesn't fit their pre-conceived notion of what they want the world to be, or isn't a vaunted player like LoD was, you're fucked.

Couple of things here. There hasn’t been a cascade of hate or anything like that. Almost everybody that posted a reply basically told the op he jumped to the wrong conclusion. The issue really isn’t that he jumped to the wrong conclusion, it’s the way staff handled him jumping to the wrong conclusion.

If you take 5 mins to look at why he jumped to the wrong conclusion it should be pretty clear how easy it would be to do that. That alone is the reason why staff shouldn’t have handled it the way they did. He explained in the beginning he filed a staff complaint instead of a player complaint because he didn’t like the way they were handling it. He pretty much escalated his complaint right from the beginning.

It was pretty clear to him “something” was going on. From what he described Ray Charles can see “something” was going on. What they did was jump on his conclusion, which was questionable but not really the issue. The issue is “something” is going on.

Now, if you want to go down the rabbit hole of the spirit of the game. It was pretty clear from what he described part of the something he was seeing dealt with ooc communication. He said he saw the other guy magically showing up when something was going on. That implies some kind of ooc communication. If it wasn’t staff, it was with another player. So there goes the spirit of the game already. The only thing that particular spirit of the game does is muddle and obscure complaints to the point where it’s easy to say “Your conclusion is wrong. Now fuck off.” Which is kind of what happened. Let’s be real here, only noobs or someone really naive thinks there is no ooc communication between players.

So back to the something. If it was a player playing a new class. All it would’ve or should’ve taken was a very frank discussion that No, it’s not a staff avatar or a staff pet. It’s a player testing one of the new classes and they’re much stronger than starting characters currently are. Then acknowledge his concern, but these new classes will be available to him too very soon. Disaster averted.

Instead, they removed him from the game in front of other players. That’s embarrassing. It doesn’t matter if it was temporary or not. That’s embarrassing AF. Not only that, but he pointed out someone on staff did an animation that the other player’s behavior was already questionable.

So in the end, staff pet, new class we’ll never know. But his conclusions weren’t that unreasonable. Whether they were right or not isn’t the issue. Him posting them the way he did tells us he’s not really sure what was going on. His word choice and the way he went about it is a little questionable. Staff just could’ve handled that better than the way they did. That’s really the only true conclusion you can make on the whole thing.

"If you're known for being retarded for your previous actions, don't be surprised if people start shouting in your ears."

I think that goes both ways too. If you're known for being obtuse, ignorant, a griefer, spazzoid, repeat offender of all the above, or whatever, you can probably expect some cold shoulder from not only staff, but also from "people" in general. It's not something exclusive to RPI text-based gaming staff, but will affect you in a lot of different relationships.

Not defending anyone, and only sorta poking at OP, but having played with guy on other games in the past, present, and likely future, I'm struggling to feel any sort of sympathy, as well...yeah. Gotta couple funny instances screen captured where dude just spazzed the f out and was beyond the pale in terms of reasonability and being a "decent player", despite being capable of high level and enjoyable rp.

Just chill out bro, aren't you tired of being "that guy" across all the different RPI games?

No disagreement really.

Just saying, I know this guy, what he does, and kinda how often he does it...If I was responding to him, probably wouldn't give it the same level of care or attention as I would someone without that history.

Is that right? Nah, not really. Is that human? I'd say yes.

(In fairness, I did notate the guys RP is pretty great...my issue, is why can't you just be 'normal' so we can play and have fun together on Soi, HL, LabMud, etc)