delerak
GDB Superstar
PK'ed by jcarter
"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on May 31, 2018 20:46:16 GMT -5
Tuluk was "occupied" by allanak for years. The pyramid (which anyone could walk by and see) supposedly housed Muk Utep and his army. The so called siege never actually happened and Nakki soldiers just roamed around. It was pretty cool though in general the whole rebellion RP and the eventual push to create Tuluk the problem was that Tuluk never should have become a totally different culture, 'Nak occupied it for a hundred-ish years if I remember and that's pretty crazy stuff, it's like saying the Roman empire would just be pushed back by a small force of rebels, never really happened at least not all at once like that. The creation of the city was far too quick and far too grand.
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jkarr
GDB Superstar
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Post by jkarr on May 31, 2018 22:34:57 GMT -5
Tuluk was "occupied" by allanak for years. The pyramid (which anyone could walk by and see) supposedly housed Muk Utep and his army. The so called siege never actually happened and Nakki soldiers just roamed around. one of the few times u could have fun playing a tuluki because it was basicly the west bank and u could roll up plo guerilla fighters to fuck up naki soldiers
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julio
Displaced Tuluki
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Post by julio on May 31, 2018 22:43:20 GMT -5
Tuluk was "occupied" by allanak for years. The pyramid (which anyone could walk by and see) supposedly housed Muk Utep and his army. The so called siege never actually happened and Nakki soldiers just roamed around. It was pretty cool though in general the whole rebellion RP and the eventual push to create Tuluk the problem was that Tuluk never should have become a totally different culture, 'Nak occupied it for a hundred-ish years if I remember and that's pretty crazy stuff, it's like saying the Roman empire would just be pushed back by a small force of rebels, never really happened at least not all at once like that. The creation of the city was far too quick and far too grand. yea. This. Exactly.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Jun 4, 2018 10:58:30 GMT -5
Delerak nicely summed up one of the reasons I stopped playing Arm. .... here however it wasn't my fault, I didn't run off and die to some gith or try to steal something and get crim-coded etc. I just stood there for 2 seconds and got instantly smashed by some maxxed NPCs. i don't mind my characters dying-- i really don't. if i get crim-coded and wrecked, okay, sure, deserved it. i get ohk backstabbed after pissing on the Guild boss's boots, fair enough. get killed for being an elf, perfect. it's the "we're going to hit you with seven tons of 'nothing you can do about it mantis head for daring to join this rpt that wasn't supposed to be all that dangerous to begin with but haha a staff member is controlling this mekillot" moments that killed any reason i had to play
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Post by sessizlik on Nov 12, 2018 6:24:56 GMT -5
I liked Tuluk...
Mind you, I had only two characters there.. Both merchants. It was just like taking a break from ARM.. Politics? Pfft. Who does politics in Tuluk? If a templar gets pissed at you, you throw two larges their way and they suddenly like you. Because they were supposed to be luxurious but their stipends didn't cover everything. They had to collect money and open bribes like they do in Allanak was frowned upon.
My merchants would simply roam around, crafting with alabaster and wood so close to the city, have picnics in the Poet's Circle, drink expensive wine in taverns. I could literally make a large without trying. It wasn't Armageddon, it was the fluffy sunshine land.
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Post by shakes on Nov 12, 2018 13:48:00 GMT -5
Relatively, Luir's and Morin's is still fluffy sunshine land.
What bores me about playing around Allanak is that it's all the same. West side of the city? Desert. Lemme go over to the east side then ... oh, look. More desert. What's beyond that desert? A salt desert.
Up north I can dart into the Pah, roam the scrub, hunt around the cliffs, fiddle around in the forest, or jot over to the grasslands. Much more diversity for an explorer.
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dunebum
Clueless newb
Smells like beer and sweat
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Post by dunebum on Nov 12, 2018 19:31:13 GMT -5
I quit playing once because I was banned when I was suspected to be some other player. It was quite obvious that staff was wrong, and after asking for them to un-ban me they did with no hesitation or questioning.
I quit playing the second time after it was brought to light that various posters on the jcarter board were posting pixel trackers in their signature, and one of them had sent me a PM "welcoming me to the shadowboard". While this happened before I was banned, it shows how low some folks will go to profile their playerbase.
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Post by shakes on Nov 12, 2018 21:34:35 GMT -5
That pixel trackers some nefarious shit, but my understanding was that it was a player who did it, not staff.
Did anyone ever get actually banned due to their participation in this forum which was discovered by the pixel tracker?
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Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 9:13:23 GMT -5
That pixel trackers some nefarious shit, but my understanding was that it was a player who did it, not staff. Did anyone ever get actually banned due to their participation in this forum which was discovered by the pixel tracker? I'm actually curious about this too. For using pixel trackers, who ever did the bannings kept missing the mark pretty far. I figure this stuff ended with Nergal and the epoch of clique infiltration.
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Jeshin
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Post by Jeshin on Nov 13, 2018 9:34:40 GMT -5
The pixel tracker was never attributed to a player. There is no way to attribute the action because they are dummy accounts. It is worth noting that pixel tracking is useless unless you have an IP list to check it against. TMC claimed to verify (somehow) that it was a player or players and not staff who was spoofing votes. Pixel tracking never determined one way or the other unless Jcarter would like to comment.
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Post by jcarter on Nov 13, 2018 15:03:47 GMT -5
Two accounts used pixel tracking. One was shik and the other was angrygortok. shik had been around for years and had the tracker in their signature for at least a year before the code dump. They would PM members of the board with weird overly friendly 'hello fellow kids' type messages. Keep in mind that the pixel tracker allows you to see the URL that the person is viewing the link at; so if you send a PM to someone it has a unique URL ID and you can therefore match a PM to a person with an IP address. angrygortok included it in the body of the message, which was a dumb way to do it because anyone quoting them would see the image code for it. I think it was probably two different people that used the technique, but given how specific it was and the fact they used the same host it's likely that they communicated about it to one another at some point. I can't confirm based on hard evidence that it was staff that used it, but it's naive to assume that it wasn't them. They have a past history of trying to track down members of this forum to ban them, it's their code that's 'at stake', and the only people that could actually do anything with the IP addresses is staff. It takes some serious mental gymnastics to shift the fault elsewhere and try to pretend it wasn't them.
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Post by shakes on Nov 13, 2018 18:29:13 GMT -5
Yes, but what HAPPENED? Did any single person on this forum get banned as a result of it?
That's all I'm curious about. Not pro staff or pro-shadowboard ... just curious what the outcome was. Or do we even know?
It's possible someone gets banned and says, "screw them" and just goes on with life and we never find out.
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Post by lechuck on Nov 13, 2018 18:50:29 GMT -5
We don't really know, but there are certainly players who have been told in no uncertain terms to "stop posting over there." Staff will certainly confront you if they find out you do it, and while I don't think they outright ban upon finding out, I'd say it probably puts you in the black book and could get you banned if you don't stop when they tell you to. Identifying shadowboarders is very much a thing that they go out of their way to do, and while there's no real proof that they're behind the IP tracker thing, like jcarter says, what's a player gonna do with some anonymous IP addresses? At the very least, it was someone acting on staff's behalf and sending them the information. This was done in a deliberate, systematic manner, and there's no other explanation than that the IPs were meant for staff purposes.
A while back during the Nyr era, people started complaining about the high frequency of bans. So many players got banned by Nyr after running afoul of him that there was a kind of mini-revolt. Staff decided to tone down the bannings, but instead they shifted to a new practice of essentially running players off the game by targeting them with all kinds of scrutiny and disproportional punishments. Perceived pariahs would find that NPCs got animated to try and kill them, denial of any requests more significant than joining a clan forum, karma dock/lock, removal of guild options, etc. That way, Nyr could get rid of players he didn't like without technically banning them. These things still happen, just not quite as abundantly as it did under Nyr.
I know a few people who have been contacted by staff and told how disappointed they were to discover that the player had been posting here. Those players were typically treated like shit afterwards. These aren't always players who have outed themselves here, so staff at least try to identify shadowboarders based on something. Whether that's writing styles or IP trackers or whatever, there's most definitely an effort to find shadowboarders and punish them. They've said they don't have rules against posting here, but you can be certain that you'll become persona non grata if they find out.
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Post by jcarter on Nov 14, 2018 6:51:51 GMT -5
Yes, but what HAPPENED? Did any single person on this forum get banned as a result of it? That's all I'm curious about. Not pro staff or pro-shadowboard ... just curious what the outcome was. Or do we even know? It's possible someone gets banned and says, "screw them" and just goes on with life and we never find out. As a result of the pixel tracking? Probably, from the first time around. dunebum did you ever receive any PMs from shik?
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tedium
Clueless newb
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Post by tedium on Nov 14, 2018 8:27:13 GMT -5
I wish they would have fixed Tuluk instead of closing it. Or at least replaced it with something interesting. Now it's a massive dead zone in the game that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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