deadelf
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Post by deadelf on Jun 24, 2017 6:30:06 GMT -5
It's the players that have turned me off of the game. I think Nergal's last comment is correct. They are disgusting. The hypocrisy that Signifyinmonkey alludes to is evident to anyone who has read the GDB over the years. But that is common, criticize in others what you make excuses for in yourself. That's one reason I never trust anyone on a soapbox.
I know some people can't walk away from a bad investment. I've seen people dump their life savings into something saying "it's going to come back". I am one of the world's best at walking away from a bad investment. I can afford to sit around and play games the rest of my life. This game is about the players, if you can't stand the players there is no reason to play.
As for the code, way back in 1995 or so, after playing arm, I coded on a circle mud. Added horses, bows, carriages, wagons, changed from names to sdescs, added the "~" emote, allowed builders to put time dependent room descs (day/night/whatever), skill increases based on usage not EXP, probably some other ideas from ARM too. Added OLC and mob_progs and other snippets as well (we shared code in ftp repositories way back then). That took maybe 2-3 months of part time work and then it went belly up.
It's not rocket science. Most muds were coded/run by high school or college students in those days. Kinda like now, all the kids are writing apps for phones and tablets.
When I play ARM, it is essentially the same game as it was in 1994/5. You don't need their code. If anything, you want to run from it and come up with a mud that does not generate all the social problems that arm can't seem to get away from.
Come up with coded solutions instead of relying on: Complain -> report -> punish.
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Post by gloryhound on Jun 24, 2017 6:41:38 GMT -5
I just don't see the point in roleplaying one life after another in which there's no chance to create, build, or (at this point) discover something new. It's like being in a cage with the same handful of worn toys.
What basically finished me off is when Talia spent more effort arguing in the AoD forum about how big a deal it was to change a barracks in a wagon to be a save room than it would have taken to make the actual change. We'd asked for this months previously (so that we wouldn't have to idiotically keep tramping through a templar's stateroom to get at basic supplies, something that makes no sense from a roleplaying point of view) and she'd even agreed (then) that it would be a good idea. And having been on staff a very long time ago and having built two wagons back then, I know how little effort it requires to make such a change. Even if she couldn't be arsed to do it herself, she could have delegated one of her Storytellers to do it. But no, not only was she inert, she was spouting crap about why it couldn't be done. Just summed up the whole staff attitude to me. Hopeless.
To redeem Arm for me, they'd have to sweep the whole existing staff culture away and appoint people who want to actually do things. I'm not sure there are any left in the player base who are like that anymore though.
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Post by silentlamb on Jun 24, 2017 8:30:28 GMT -5
Only checking back in on this discussion now and I'm not going to respond to other people's comments, but with regards to gloryhound there is indeed more to discover as staff are opening new areas (look at that whole meteor event, they opened a whole new section afaik for that), and there is indeed the possibility to build and add to the world. My last major character left something minor, but persistant after their death to the Byn that is still an ongoing thing. It's fairly in your face if you spend time there. I wish I could elaborate but it hasn't been a year, suffice to say I did something spontaneously, staff rolled with it, and now it seems to be a persistent thing which is nice to see!
Edit: To add, with regards to what you said about staff culture, the current storytellers are movers and shakers, Akariel has been awesome and was responsible for helping me with the above
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grumble
GDB Superstar
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Post by grumble on Jun 24, 2017 17:28:12 GMT -5
And, the conversation on the GDB has taken a productive turn. I am completely satisfied with Adhira's post on the matter and feel obligated to compliment her maturity and understanding. I am perhaps wishfully thinking that the more recent posts will be taken very seriously, but perhaps it's actually being considered.
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Post by silentlamb on Jun 24, 2017 18:18:06 GMT -5
And, the conversation on the GDB has taken a productive turn. I am completely satisfied with Adhira's post on the matter and feel obligated to compliment her maturity and understanding. I am perhaps wishfully thinking that the more recent posts will be taken very seriously, but perhaps it's actually being considered. You're a big drama lama, and I'm actually quite glad out you of all people on this forum you are banned from the game. I would quote all of the things you said between september 13th 2016 till september 19th 2016 in support of this, but you've deleted it all after having a mental breakdown. When you didn't get your way you cried and blamed other players and staff, when I was playing with your elf around this time I had to file a few player complaints because you would always find OOC excuses to avoid IC repercussions, and then when you got temporarily banned for all of this drama to let you cool off you came here threatening players and staff and acted as if you had a huge amount of leverage over others, saying you could ruin the game and everyone's plots resulting in your permanent ban. Edit: Just to add, reading your successive posts are hilarious. It's like a psychologist's wet dream, after your breakdown you deny everything, then you apologise for it, then you start looking for sympathy. Dunno what the name of that process is, grief or something? It's like a multistage process thingy where first it's denial, then remorse, or whatever, then acceptance. You did that whole thing in the space of 2 days. Quite the roller coaster. Super double bonus edit: This is only directed towards grumble. I do sympathise with alot of people on this board, but grumble pisses me off.
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Jun 24, 2017 18:49:24 GMT -5
Take your petty grudge and shove it right up your butt. It's obvious you're only interested in being a hater for the sake of it. You haven't taken in the main context of the GDB thread and considered the long-term effects, nor the fact that I am not alone in these sort of sentiments, and people have arrived at their own current perspectives independently of my own experience, without any communication between parties. You can judge all you want, but it's not really productive. Yes, I deleted those posts, mostly because some were unproductive rage-fits that did nothing for the conversation, and some because they revealed plot info. I did stop posting after that for a while, and had a discussion with staff about it. I was banned for two months, I was allowed to appeal it, I did after I cooled off.
You see, I did admit, in that case, that I was wrong in my perspective, that I'm human and that I make mistakes too. What you CAN'T see because I'm guessing you must either be a newer player or one of the chosen few, is that I have been getting this sort of lame treatment for quite some time. Some of the more recent ones were clearly my fault, this I will admit, but this sort of hostility does not build up by just having a suspiciously raw deal get rammed up your arse once, it's YEARS in the making, of things that go unmentioned in public discussion, of things I haven't really discussed, that set the tone for future staff and player interactions. As is evidenced by the presence of these boards and alluded to in the recently active thread on the GDB, I am not the only one who has experienced this, seen staff favoritism in action, been on the wrong end of it, and experienced some fuck-all bullshit as a result. You can look back over the recountings of others of their own experiences, and witness the pattern.
Then there are the ones who do not speak publicly of the questionable events they've experienced. There are many of these, they speak with a small collection of friends, share the details they can't bring to staff without getting shut down on the matter. You must not have any experience with these, as if you did, you could clearly see how someone could easily come to some, from your perspective, batshit nuts conclusions from certain observable patterns. I don't really give a fuck what you think anymore, but consider the holes in your argument, your obvious bias, your rather blatant agenda not even related to the subject at hand, and how you allow it to color your viewpoints and manner of expression... but as you are seemingly one of those unwilling and/or unable to admit possible ignorance or wrongdoing, I do not expect much introspection from you.
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Post by silentlamb on Jun 24, 2017 19:39:20 GMT -5
grumble is actually a psychotic 40+ something weirdo who lives off the government doll and does nothing but play armageddon all day every day. he has no aspirations, he has no real meaning in his life. only armageddon, getting drunk, and having bizarre pseudo-relationships with the people who play with his characters, of which there is no line between reality and fiction. he exclusively plays elves. i cant make this stuff up.
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Jun 24, 2017 19:57:51 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a direct quote from Topkekm8s. I thought the easiest way to deflect that was to use it as a quote. For the most part, it's worked. Most of it's made up however. For example, I don't always play elves, I play humans and breeds as well. For every player I've pissed off somehow, such as yourself, Metekillot, EvilCabbage, etc., who comes here with the singular purpose of insulting me and trying to get a rise out of me, I get four more who send me kudos for my characters... so, I'm pretty confident you're just talking out your butt. You say I tried to use OOC methods to get out of consequences for my possibly ONE character you played with, when this is far from the case. If I had been doing such, I would not have thrust my PC into hazerdous situations where complications could arise, be it climbing rooftops on orders, hunting snakes with the militia on off-days, doing shady business transactions in taints and weaponry with the militia right outside my door as they picked in, letting the unnamed customer out the back, diving out the back so they had to interrogate me on the rooftops and not amidst my huge stash of contraband, so as to stall them from discovering an assosciate, got drug into an interrogation over a tall murderer in an aba (instead of saying, oop, I got rl stuff to do, later! quit ooc), walked into private rooms for meetings with allies I oocly KNEW weren't really allies and would fuck me over at the drop of a hat, put my PC in vulnerable positions with them, as well as who I am assuming to be your PC, who I will not mention the details of...
Yeah, I was always dodging consequences by OOC methods, huh. Seems like even if I do something dangerous for my PC, I guess, because the consequence didn't suit YOUR narrative, you assumed I somehow "cheated". Bravo, pat yourself on the back for making a bunch of shit up. All I know is my internet was fucking shitty and sometimes it was best to quit out a while until it got better. It was the night of that last contract, and that was the ONLY time I considered using a valid justified OOC reason to avoid it, but I considered, well, this is something my PC would not miss, despite how I think it might go down, so I may as well log in and hope my internet chooses not to shit all over me. I got banned not for your complaints, those were not mentioned in my banning, but for my posting here in a shit-fit I admitted to being wrong for doing. It was implied I should remove my posts, something you find an act of cowardice, but that I find was correct given the circumstances. You are simply determined to see events through a certain list and not consider other possible explanations.
So, how was I avoiding potential consequences? Was it because I er, got a side mission from the Sarge with permission to work on that exclusively and therefor wasn't in the sparring ring for ye olde Byn easy murder ritual all the time? Is it because my playtimes weren't always consistent so maybe you missed some opportunities? Was it because my PC quit for a short while in order to work on her crafting expertise in order to be not quite so useless to the unit and to try to rid herself of a deep funk that had come over her?.. I mean, that seems all IC to me. I really do not get where you are digging this stuff up.
EDIT: I would like to add that by trying to derail a thread meant to be constructive, with the exclusive purpose of shitting on me, specifically, will earn you more quizical looks than brownie points or high-fives. Staff does read this board too, no matter what they say, and it really does not look very mature or productive on your part to continue this sort of bullshit, quite the opposite. So I'd like to advize you to get back to the topic at hand, or just be quiet, as it's in your best interests.
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seuly
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Post by seuly on Jun 25, 2017 17:11:56 GMT -5
Just open Tuluk. Bring back kanks. Bring back world plots like wars, mad sorcs, and prophecies.
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ibusoe
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Post by ibusoe on Jun 25, 2017 21:21:44 GMT -5
grumble is actually a psychotic 40+ something weirdo who lives off the government doll and does nothing but play armageddon all day every day. he has no aspirations, he has no real meaning in his life. only armageddon, getting drunk, and having bizarre pseudo-relationships with the people who play with his characters, of which there is no line between reality and fiction. he exclusively plays elves. i cant make this stuff up. You're right, Lamb. Grumble is actually a psychotic quatragenarian weirdo whom lives off (of) the government doll and does little but play armageddon. Since he's moved in with us, he's admitted his problems, started writing a book and has begun shopping around for a house. What's your excuse?
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A Girl
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Post by A Girl on Jun 25, 2017 22:08:35 GMT -5
At least grumble isn't a sycophantic brown nosing echo chamber dweller come over to the big boy's board to try and earn cool points w/big brother.
So.... he's not the -most- pathetic person here.
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Jun 26, 2017 4:04:23 GMT -5
Not the -most-, but edging on it.
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dunebum
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Post by dunebum on Jun 26, 2017 18:02:19 GMT -5
Not the -most-, but edging on it. yer gonna have to fight me fer that title, grumble it's a drink off, buddy. whoevers left standing after each of us get a half gallon of tito's
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A Girl
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Post by A Girl on Jun 26, 2017 19:46:35 GMT -5
Not the -most-, but edging on it. newp. try that again. the definite implication is that the person described in the first sentence 'is' the most pathetic. it's got not shit to do with implying that you are. you're my grumble. you might be an asshole, but you're my asshole friend. only one on the boards but raptor dan who has the number to my phone.
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faroukel
Displaced Tuluki
What's a story without a villain?
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Post by faroukel on Jun 26, 2017 20:05:44 GMT -5
Im sure he has those digits on the shelf with all the other proud, knuckle scuff worthy achievements.
You lot are hilarious.
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