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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 5:08:01 GMT -5
step 1: refuse to write even the most basic clan item for a group
step 2: refuse to rent a warehouse to them because they're in the Byn, otherwise stall.
step 3: throw a big death RPT and kill numerous members of the Byn
step 4: keep refusing to write the item or rent a warehouse, or really anything to help the would-be group until interest wanes entirely
step 5: accuse players of not doing enough to make things fun for others
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Post by jesantu on Feb 5, 2016 5:13:25 GMT -5
who was the imm running the byn at the time, kronibas?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 5:24:01 GMT -5
I'm not even sure. I wouldn't really even try to say it was the Byn imm's fault, though.
Really, it just seems weak that there were warehouses there... but who got to rent one seemed very arbitrary. it was also frustrating trying to help another player get a scouting cloak made - shit, it wasn't even my idea, and the item sure wasn't just to profit - but they just edited it down to a hooded sandy aba or something really generic like that... and then the recipe wouldn't work.
i really didn't try to fight it because i was having a pretty good time and who wants to rock the boat during times like that? but that whole realm of being stifled made the glass ceiling effect set in pretty quickly, and in just a month's time, interest and momentum can stall significantly when no progress is being made and all tangible efforts just sorta fall flat when it comes to the point of having to go to staff for things.
more than anything, it's just discouraging. but then i see things like the ocotillo festival with an enormous amount of staff support, and it doesn't make me hateful, but I'm just like... must be nice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 5:43:16 GMT -5
Had more to do with them trying to make the Byn and Nak smaller so more players would play in Tuluk than anything, if you ask me, to fight Nyr's lame war... while they were meanwhile telling Rogue Ranger to not encourage PK'ing of Tuluki citizens. Manipulative, lying Nyr bullshit is all that was. or maybe it's like lyse said, and he was just a symptom. Hard to tell really. Glad Tuluk's gone now. Hopefully that will allow room for stuff around Nak and Storm to sprout up independently. Hopefully they won't be blocked much because of too many OOC considerations or clan population micromanaging bullshit. |
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Post by jesantu on Feb 5, 2016 5:49:30 GMT -5
I'm not even sure. I wouldn't really even try to say it was the Byn imm's fault, though. Really, it just seems weak that there were warehouses there... but who got to rent one seemed very arbitrary. it was also frustrating trying to help another player get a scouting cloak made - shit, it wasn't even my idea, and the item sure wasn't just to profit - but they just edited it down to a hooded sandy aba or something really generic like that... and then the recipe wouldn't work. i really didn't try to fight it because i was having a pretty good time and who wants to rock the boat during times like that? but that whole realm of being stifled made the glass ceiling effect set in pretty quickly, and in just a month's time, interest and momentum can stall significantly when no progress is being made and all tangible efforts just sorta fall flat when it comes to the point of having to go to staff for things. more than anything, it's just discouraging. but then i see things like the ocotillo festival with an enormous amount of staff support, and it doesn't make me hateful, but I'm just like... must be nice. I don't know if it was your intent when you brought the festival up in the first place but I interpreted it to mean that this is the height of power anyone can achieve: a social event that a bunch of red robe and senior noble npcs show up for. Correct me if I'm wrong but no one was handed any real power, they just got attention. And no one has carved their name in the history page from it. Again it was a bunch of dull people who will never be remembered tomorrow because the loudest they can carve their name on the wall in order to remind the world that they once existed was with a big party. They didn't die a hero's death at the gates of allanak trying to storm the city by force, they didn't die struggling to create their own entire merchant house that has more representation than house "leramir" (whatever that is), they didn't startle everyone at the rpt by miraculously metamorphosizing into a "fabled elemental being" and then vanishing without a trace, they weren't bestowed with the rights to lands and privileges that earn them the title of senior or red robe....instead they saw a bunch of npcs that have positions they can never acquire make appearances solely to validate the rpt in the first place. That's not anything to be jealous of. Change the game world in some memorable way such that old turds like us on the shadow boards are still talking about you 10 or even 15 years later and then I'll be jealous. The question is....is that even possible now? |
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Post by jesantu on Feb 5, 2016 5:58:47 GMT -5
I've always liked (pre-nyr) tuluk more than allanak as a culture. So I was one of the angry few to see it shut down. I also had to abandon my character or play unrealistically to reflect the OOC closing. It's one of the main reasons I hardly play anymore even. But if one city has to be closed then it should be used as an opportunity to launch conflict, not sit there unused. When defilers were removed we were told that full blown defilers still exist, they're just part of the npc world now. Are there any scary npc defiler monsters out there that anyone has heard of or is part of the story currently? I suspect they're hiding with the warehouses and player clans (in other words, they don't exist). Tuluk should instead be seen as an active force. There could be game board posts describing attacks, occasional rpts with secret assaults on luirs or elsewhere, a chance for a bynner or militia to take down some tuluk bad guys in the scrub plains. It's such a perfect situation ripe with storytelling opportunities and instead it just sits there.
But I know, I know. Silly me. I'm asking for more work than I should expect from volunteers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 6:17:12 GMT -5
After the whole Tablelands thing is done, I could see them using Tuluk as an enemy... and maybe even letting it or other parts of Gol Krathu be conquered or at least have the chance to be conquered by Nak.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 7:37:09 GMT -5
I've been saying for a while now that if Armageddon's history was to be made into a book, not one player initiative from after the Reborn period of 2006-2008 would make it into that book. Not one thing has been accomplished by players (i.e. not a scripted HRPT) in the last seven or eight years that would warrant mention in an account of the game's history.
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Post by jesantu on Feb 5, 2016 8:17:31 GMT -5
I've been saying for a while now that if Armageddon's history was to be made into a book, not one player initiative from after the Reborn period of 2006-2008 would make it into that book. Not one thing has been accomplished by players (i.e. not a scripted HRPT) in the last seven or eight years that would warrant mention in an account of the game's history. Someone needs to catapult this topic onto the gdb. I know most imms are hyper sensitive to criticism but a simple 'hey we would like to see more of this' would be hard to argue against....though I know urinemoose, negral and a few others would be up to the challenge. |
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Post by grumble on Feb 5, 2016 10:40:50 GMT -5
Ok, ok, I'm seeing a lot of posts referencing "Jade Dusters"... you want to know what happened to those jade dusters, and why the damn hawker's gone? They tried to enforce their "monopoly" on a rather commonly traded item, killed some sifters, and ended up facing the wrath of those who serve the Sandlord's interests.
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Post by grumble on Feb 5, 2016 10:41:25 GMT -5
Anything more than that, and we should likely take it to spoilers.
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Post by grumble on Feb 5, 2016 10:45:48 GMT -5
Like, seriously, if you learn ONE thing about Red Storm, it's that PCs that stick around are OOCly important, and if a crew gets started, those are important too, to keep your RP experience from being, twink twink twink, sit bar, sigh boredly. ONE PC dies, it's a tragedy. You kill two to several all of Storm's PC population is going to pull together to fuck you to death.
EDIT: So no, you weren't flashed with jade dusters as if staff was saying, look, everythings going swell! Then everyone moved on to something better... no, that shit went into a fucking blender of PC-driven MCB that would make you shit yourself to behold.
EDIT2: If you try to metagame these locations as if player characters don't have tribe, family, or friends because you know the PC population is slim there, don't be surprised when you get fucking bulldozed by shameless low-karma twinks teamed up with 8 karma psionicists, muls, sorcs, and fuck knows what else. They will MAKE that shit come alive for you.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 5, 2016 19:32:50 GMT -5
Like, seriously, if you learn ONE thing about Red Storm, it's that PCs that stick around are OOCly important, and if a crew gets started, those are important too, to keep your RP experience from being, twink twink twink, sit bar, sigh boredly. ONE PC dies, it's a tragedy. You kill two to several all of Storm's PC population is going to pull together to fuck you to death. It's like I keep saying, man. RSV is the best spot in the game. You just can't always start there for your concept, but it's a great place to make your real home. |
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Post by grumble on Feb 5, 2016 20:08:20 GMT -5
RSV is the place, unless some loudmouthed, allanki accustomed dickweed starts mouthing off, and, no one can stop them because all hardcore RSV players left.
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Post by grumble on Feb 5, 2016 20:09:32 GMT -5
Or Nobody decided to twink up in Storm.
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