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Post by dcdc on Nov 2, 2015 22:53:14 GMT -5
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Post by sirra on Nov 2, 2015 23:13:16 GMT -5
Nothing has been won. Nessalin stepped away for about a month too, and he's back as a producer. Hell, his original departure was partly what convinced me to return to Armageddon for a brief while (along with Tuluk's closure). They're both like cancerous tumors (or warts?). If they aren't excised completely, they'll soon be back. Nyr's not going anywhere. If the game suddenly did a 180 and in his absence, began to flourish (which it won't, since Nessalin is still involved), Nyr would jump right back the moment things were looking up. He simply got bored of being involved with a failing project, or else, wants to disassociate himself from the failures. |
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Post by delerak on Nov 2, 2015 23:18:42 GMT -5
Sirra has the right of it I think. You can't honestly believe these forums exist solely because of Nyr. I've never had anything bad to say about Nyr, and most people here won't be ignorant enough to think that removing one person changes things.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 23:45:22 GMT -5
If you achieve a victory, you advance and hold the position.
If login numbers immediately spike after he leaves, not only is a message sent, but then "the opposition" becomes credible, because the changes suggested actual cause positive results.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Nov 3, 2015 0:16:11 GMT -5
I think I would find the game as colorless and lacking as ever. Or you'll have a great time, only way to find out is to go make a PC and dive right in. I feel like I have better stuff to do with my time these days though. So it depends on you, if you specifically quit because of Nyr then yes returning only makes sense. I was banned years ago (2003) by Sanvean and played off and on since then and it was never Nyr that made me say to myself: "There is something off here. I'm just not having fun."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 1:34:45 GMT -5
Give it a chance to be meaningful before you decide it isn't. I think the sheer fact that a lot of people will give the game another shot is going to lead to a more lively in-game environment. Even if´the staff doesn't change a whole lot else, renewed player enthusiasm might be enough to kickstart something positive. I don't think I'll personally play again, but I'm glad to see an opportunity for the game to salvage itself.
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Post by grumble on Nov 3, 2015 1:50:19 GMT -5
I, sadly, agree with Delerak and Sirra. I think, before anyone starts gloating, this picture might end up being more appropriate for the thread:  |
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Post by sirra on Nov 3, 2015 2:17:46 GMT -5
Not to mention. Much of the problems with Armageddon might have started out as Nyr-specific (and even that is largely a fable of this board - it has as much to do with Nessalin and Adhira as well. Perhaps even more on those two than any other), but by now, it's become largely institutional.
The departure of one person (who isn't even really departed, and is still going to be hanging around, logging in, and talking to them in staff chat) will not change things on a dime. It would require a whole culture change. You'd literally have to get rid of Nyr, Adhira, Nessalin, and then have those three completely sever contact with the game, like Sanvean did, and have all new people, for things to really have the opportunity to evolve in a significantly different direction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 2:23:27 GMT -5
We don't know what really happened, though. It might be that they actually have decided to make a real effort to improve the game and knew that such a change would have to include telling Nyr to fuck off. I don't have much faith in Nessalin and Adhira suddenly becoming virtuosos of game management, but with a new producer, there's a chance for something substantial to happen.
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Post by sirra on Nov 3, 2015 2:34:01 GMT -5
We don't know what really happened, though. It might be that they actually have decided to make a real effort to improve the game and knew that such a change would have to include telling Nyr to fuck off. I don't have much faith in Nessalin and Adhira suddenly becoming virtuosos of game management, but with a new producer, there's a chance for something substantial to happen. Well, I guess we'll see. If this change causes anyone to have more fun playing Armageddon, (however superficial and temporary I believe it to be), then so be it. At least Nyr will have finally done something to help people have fun instead of stifle it. At least for a little while. |
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Post by dcdc on Nov 3, 2015 2:49:02 GMT -5
GET GOING BOYS, I THINK I FOUND A HORSE ATOM UNDER THE RUG! STOP THAT SHIT TILL IT'S QUANTA.
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Post by jesantu on Nov 3, 2015 3:40:15 GMT -5
Leave brittnyr alone! He just inherited already existing problems when he joined staff, it's not his fault the game is in recession!
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Post by desertman on Nov 3, 2015 11:09:13 GMT -5
(I'm putting this here as well since we have two threads running.)
Well guys, we got what we wanted.
I'm not as excited about Nyr stepping down as I am about Rathustra stepping up.
I have dealt A LOT with Rathustra on some projects and I can tell you he has told me NO for pretty much every single thing I have ever asked him for...and you know what...I still think he's one of the best staffers the game has.
It's not about telling someone NO. It's not about disappointing them IC with your animations. It's about how you speak to them as human beings....and we finally have someone as a Producer who knows how to do that publicly.
(Not bashing Adhira. As I've stated, I'm sure she's great and a good person, I just don't know I've ever dealt with her personally or really seen her present herself enough as a public presence to make up for the other two and their very public presence.)
I implore all of you to come back to the game. You voted with your feet and spent years here literally saying if this man would go away you would come back. Well, that time has come.
One thing I will request (if you allow it) is that you DO NOT go to the GDB gloating about this.
You got your victory. Everyone knows you got your victory. Everyone knows they finally realized you were right all along.
YOU WON.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
You were victorious.
Please take your victory with humility and be the example of how to act. We have a very positive foundation to work from here so let's move forward with some positivity and finally try and heal our environment.
I was only here a single week. Some of you were here for a very long time. I want to thank all of you for making that sacrifice. I was prepared to be here for a very long time but I was one of the lucky ones who didn't have to be.
Let's get back in the game and get back to making Armageddon what it used to be!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 11:18:04 GMT -5
Not to mention. Much of the problems with Armageddon might have started out as Nyr-specific (and even that is largely a fable of this board - it has as much to do with Nessalin and Adhira as well. Perhaps even more on those two than any other), but by now, it's become largely institutional. The departure of one person (who isn't even really departed, and is still going to be hanging around, logging in, and talking to them in staff chat) will not change things on a dime. It would require a whole culture change. You'd literally have to get rid of Nyr, Adhira, Nessalin, and then have those three completely sever contact with the game, like Sanvean did, and have all new people, for things to really have the opportunity to evolve in a significantly different direction. Makes sense. Senior staff teach newer staff their methods and protocols for doing things and it seems right because "Hey, that's the way they did it before I got here so I'll do it that way." and usually that's a good thing because usually the way people did things before was the best known way. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 11:20:21 GMT -5
Rathustra will be good. He'll finally be able to start changing things from the inside.
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