blargle
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Post by blargle on Nov 30, 2015 14:59:19 GMT -5
it's not about a door. it's about the fact that if myself, Prime Minister Sinister , and another player can't even get a curtain renamed to a door in a clan's stronghold after going through so much legwork on the scale of a rl year+, why should players believe any of the rhetoric that they can make any influence on the game world or have impact? it's like the lowest scale change you could imagine, why should anyone swallow the line that anything is possible when a thing labelled 'curtain' that is codedly identical in every way cant get its sdesc changed to 'door'. What part of UNPAID 'FUCKING' VOLUNTEERS did you not get? That's the fucking joke though. Everyone involved in Arm are unpaid volunteers. The players as much as the staff. Without either there would be no MUD. Any staff that has this mentality should eat a dick and pull their head out of their ass. Staff put a lot of time into the game, SO DO THE PLAYERS. Just because you are staff on some MUD does not mean your time is of greater value than any of the players. It is ridiculous how little regard the staff seem to have for the players investment in the game and their characters. |
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Post by dcdc on Nov 30, 2015 15:45:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure if the staff can hear you over their unpaid volunteerism and the GDB cock sucking they get for such things.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 17:11:39 GMT -5
lmao, does anyone want to still argue that there's low player counts because of the "holidays" even though the numbers are the highest these last couple weeks than in the previous couple of months? I think you're mixing up the argument that the holiday season has an effect on the number of players, with the argument that the holidays are the sole reason for lower player numbers. Haven't seen anyone arguing the latter. The recent increase can could be accounted for by things such as Nyr leaving, voting going way up, praise for Rath on these boards... but the original decline is what is interesting to me. From april-august the players numbers were averaging the same(250 avg vs 251 the previous year) It's only since the end of august that player numbers started diverging dramatically from the previous year, except for early 2014. Early 2014 seems to only have the boost it has due to the huge increase in activity the previous HRPT year, if you compare it to early 2012. I'd say the player numbers were pretty much par for the course this year all the way up until the beginning of august. What do you guys think happened around then to cause the drop? It went from 250's average to 200's... Was there any event, or did people just finally get fed up and start leaving? That's basically a sudden drop in 1/5th the average unique log-ins. I'd say the fact that players are increasing now might mean we're pulling out of whatever caused us to drop so much, but there's no way to tell until the year ends. Do you think we'd get anywhere near 300 unique log-ins if they announced an HRPT like we did in 2013? Would interest steadily increase for the year like back then? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 17:18:10 GMT -5
People with proxy accounts pretending to be typoing noobs is down a lot this month.
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Post by jcarter on Nov 30, 2015 18:16:46 GMT -5
I'd say the player numbers were pretty much par for the course this year all the way up until the beginning of august. lol, "par for the course" in the sense that they're continually declining or are you looking at some bizarro table that shows stable pbase numbers |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 18:17:32 GMT -5
@rgs
voting was down
nyr was around
they closed tuluk (without opening anything up to replace it)
they nerf'd sorcs
they had a really shitty lightshow rpt in allanak that was like a pop-up shop - there then gone with no noticeable tinkle-down effect or longevity or ripples or echoes or whatever
my not so humble opinion is that most (maybe all) staff during that stretch were terrible dmv-style pedants; talia left, nyr left. all good things.
closing tuluk was a golden fucking thing, if they'd opened up other things in nak, player numbers were at almost alltime highs then... then ...
nothing...
and they left.
it takes a while to heal, and some of the pedants still remain
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 19:37:11 GMT -5
I'd say the player numbers were pretty much par for the course this year all the way up until the beginning of august. lol, "par for the course" in the sense that they're continually declining or are you looking at some bizarro table that shows stable pbase numbers No, in the sense that for 5 months out of the year they were exactly the same as the year before (250)... and the beginning 3 months of last year is only higher than in 2012 due to the HRPT. Even with this downswing included we've only dropped(on average) 12 unique log-ins compared to last year. And last year was down 6 from 2012. That's 18 unique log-ins per week lost over the past 4 years. In that time we've averaged 258 unique log-ins. roughly 5% of the player population lost in 4 years. Of course, things could always end up going down more, or continue going back up. If they suddenly announced a huge HRPT I have no doubt the excitement it generated would easy bridge the gap between this year and last. |
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Post by jcarter on Nov 30, 2015 20:03:52 GMT -5
lol, "par for the course" in the sense that they're continually declining or are you looking at some bizarro table that shows stable pbase numbers No, in the sense that for 5 months out of the year they were exactly the same as the year before (250)... look again |
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Post by RogueRougeRanger on Nov 30, 2015 20:47:40 GMT -5
Well, sure, that don't make no damn sense. Listen, I tried my dick off to get things done in Tuluk and in Kurac, and in all of my years of playing leaders, I never got one single thing done or changed. I've come to realize that "be the change" means "be the change within the parameters of the world that already exists", and lemme tell ya, I started playing in the Byn, and mostly stopped giving a fuck about leaving my mark on the world and just playing a real, hardcore Zalanthan personality, and I was suddenly having fun on this game, again. I dunno if that helps anyone else, but once I realized I was giving too many fucks, I started having a pretty good time. ArmageddonMUD: Murder, Corruption, Betrayal... also Lowered Expectations (if you want a chance to have fun). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 21:25:29 GMT -5
I've come to realize that "be the change" means "be the change within the parameters of the world that already exists", and lemme tell ya, I started playing in the Byn, and mostly stopped giving a fuck about leaving my mark on the world and just playing a real, hardcore Zalanthan personality, and I was suddenly having fun on this game, again. I dunno if that helps anyone else, but once I realized I was giving too many fucks, I started having a pretty good time. the bold has been the way i always treated the game, so as a result i had a bunch of trouble understanding much later on where ppl were getting the idea that there was anything guaranteed or promised beyond getting to fuck around in their sandbox with ur char. apparently they started spoiling a lot of players with extra attention (a lot of them new) during the mid-2000s to where when that batch of staff and the eotw plot dropped off and support tanked, they left behind a whole generation of players conditioned to think they were entitled to all that extra shit when really they just started playing at a real lucky time. edit: sure supports nice when u get it but its a gamble that u shouldnt come to expect much less demand unless ur told thats exactly what they plan to do for u Even setting aside players who have a set of expectations from tabletop games or other muds where rpt means something different, there are several factors that suggest the staff want a interactive experience. Staff encouraging players to develop plot, or their houses on the GDB The glorification of past pcs who had staff assisted plot The recent staff plots run for small groups (Hasan's group, etc) Responses to character reports saying things like "your pc didnt seem to do much". Is this intended to indicate we should dance for staff, or do things they can react to? Any number of mechanisms that force pcs into clans run by staff My read is, staff have always given this kind of attention and active "game mastering" to the select few in the "inner circle". The rest of the game is just a bait and switch combined with an audition for the cool kids club. |
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Post by dcdc on Nov 30, 2015 21:39:45 GMT -5
That feel when you'll never be in the cool kids club...  Why even live? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 21:45:06 GMT -5
can you tell us more about the 'your pc didnt seem to do much'. Because I cant see a staffer saying it. I can imagine a staffer saying, "Well. You've pretty much covered everything in your report, so there isnt really anything I can reply to. Thanks for the report." I can see 'that' being said. But 'you didnt seem to do much' ... I dont see it. Maybe if you're a sponsored role/8 karma role?
It is true that staff does favor certain players over others. And yes, in 'some' amount, it means they have specific favorites. But often enough, those favorites have nothing to do with sucking dick, or GDB loving on the Imms. It's by having players being entertaining and interesting to watch/interact with. Whom do you think a staffer would like to interact with more? A deep, interesting character who makes shit happen, or someone who twinks/idles all the time?
So ... could you tell us more about the 'your pc didnt seem to do much' bit? What exactly was this relating to?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 21:56:44 GMT -5
can you tell us more about the 'your pc didnt seem to do much'. Because I cant see a staffer saying it. I can imagine a staffer saying, "Well. You've pretty much covered everything in your report, so there isnt really anything I can reply to. Thanks for the report." I can see 'that' being said. But 'you didnt seem to do much' ... I dont see it. Maybe if you're a sponsored role/8 karma role? It is true that staff does favor certain players over others. And yes, in 'some' amount, it means they have specific favorites. But often enough, those favorites have nothing to do with sucking dick, or GDB loving on the Imms. It's by having players being entertaining and interesting to watch/interact with. Whom do you think a staffer would like to interact with more? A deep, interesting character who makes shit happen, or someone who twinks/idles all the time? So ... could you tell us more about the 'your pc didnt seem to do much' bit? What exactly was this relating to? I had a 6 month + pc in the Byn. Merchant/aggressor. I had a good bit of fun, made trooper, was close to sergeant, outfitted Albie in silt horror, antagonized Samar and Hurlen by collecting clan only gear, etc. Wug didnt especially like merchants in the byn it seems. He said at one point he had feedback, got busy, and when my pc died two months later offered the comment about not doing much. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 22:02:40 GMT -5
your pc didn't seem to do much
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 22:08:52 GMT -5
No, in the sense that for 5 months out of the year they were exactly the same as the year before (250)... look again It's not hard to add up unique log-ins over those 5 months to get an average, and then compare it to the year before. Looking at it isn't going to help, unless you can do all that in your head. Otherwise you actually have to do a little math. Beginning of april to the end of august. Unless you're quibbling over my use of "exact" which you would technically be right. It's 250 for this year and 251 for last year. |
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