malkeninthemiddle
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Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 23, 2015 16:12:59 GMT -5
Look, Nyr writing about a coded system that would auto flag spam crafters is not something I made up out of thin air, and neither is the proposition that clan caps are imposed - along with other devices - to curtail growth where admins deem fit. Sorry if you think those talking points are without merit. I happen to disagree because it genuinely felt like to me that the Byn was throttled because of its popularity and the lack of popularity found in other, more-tended clans, and well, you are not going to sit there and tell me that I didn't read about the auto-flagging spam crafter code. Maybe the latter was a bad joke and I took it the wrong way? If so, then sorry. I just don't understand how you mentally function anymore, to be honest.. You quit a game because you feel like you got screwed over by its Staff, fair enough, we've all been there, then you come here because you find other people who have been screwed over as well, again, fair enough, that's what the forum is for, but then you start pulling facts and myths and half-truths out of every possible situations you can think of/read about and, like someone else said, you're hoping that it'll stick except it's falling flat. NONE of your accusations so far have stuck, not one. Your Byn Staff-murder-they-hate-us-because-were-popular theory is getting debunked each time someone new decides to post about it. What really gets me, like I said in the past, is that I actually defended you on the GDB when they thrashed you but now I'm wondering, once again, what goes on in your head that makes you unable to just get some sort of grip on reality and accept that the world isn't out to get you and Staff doesn't give a flying fuck about you. They don't think about you. They function very well without you. They wake up and they go to sleep without giving one thought about you. You should try doing the same in return. What makes you, during the day, suddenly thinks that there's some sort of auto-flagging system that pops up on your note if you spamcraft? You say you don't even read the GDB anymore so what part of your day makes you suddenly think about these things and thinking that we'll take it seriously at this point?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 16:24:18 GMT -5
You seem to be saying that I am outright lying about Nyr discussing the auto-flagging system, which isn't true. He did say it was to be implemented and was already being worked on at the time.
You also seem to be saying that the notion that the staff would cut away at a group of players who had formed up within a large and successful clan because their own clans/projects were starved of players is absurd. Actually, it's not. Sargax's player discussed having his play OOCly "steered" at roughly the same time, so unfortunately, I don't think metagaming to an unreasonable degree from the staff side of things is off the board.
Just because you have been left alone does not mean that others have been free of having their play altered to suit some "vision" of how the game is supposed to be at any given time. And what I am saying is, is that this vision has fallen short in huge ways in recent history, so steering players toward some "thing" while simultaneously affecting their play in noticeable and negative ways, well, it seems to have panned out like that in the not-too-distant past.
As as far as what, in my day, would cause me to want to write about things like this? Well, I think there is merit in talking about Armageddon. It's good to exercise critical thinking about something that means a lot to you. I think maybe part of the reason as to why some things happen on Armageddon like they do rests in the fact that not a lot of critical thinking occurs about the right things. Also, until this board, there wasn't really a way to think critically about Armageddon without being censored, spoken down to, browbeat, etc.
For the vast majority of my time playing Arm, the atmosphere led to people being scared to exercise criticisms against the game or the staff. It's probably true that some aspects of the game warrant more criticism than others - and that certain lesser parts seem frivolous in the grand scheme of things. Well, that doesn't change the fact, until recent history, such discussions were a quick way to get a player blacklisted.
Well, now there is a place to discuss some of the things that some players see wrong with the game. Some talking points definitely have more merit than others, but I feel as though some players are just happy to finally be able to write how they actually feel about some things without fear of swift and brutal punishment. Then again, most people still post from an anonymous stance, so I suppose that the fear or speaking out against the staff - regardless of whether or not they are acting appropriately or inappropriately - is very much alive.
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Post by someguy on Apr 23, 2015 16:28:54 GMT -5
Every time I see a post on these forums by Kronibas, I hear the Cypress Hill lyric: "Hits from the Bong".
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Post by reasonable on Apr 23, 2015 16:41:05 GMT -5
@kronibas, I wouldn't say you're lying. You just don't have all the information, and you go out of your way to say you aren't going to prove you're right. Yet the burden is on you to prove what you're saying, not on us to prove you wrong.
Since you brought up Sargax's player's templar, I would say that staff shouldn't have told him to stop his plot. They should have told his intelligent twink HG assassin to stop ignoring large amounts of virtual and NPC soldiers in the same room just to go after PCs. Sargaxs player couldn't have known that about his HG though. That is another issue entirely though.
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Post by jcarter on Apr 23, 2015 17:58:15 GMT -5
i looked for what you were talking about, is this the quote:
because if so he didn't delete it
edit: tagging @anaiah
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Jeshin
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 23, 2015 17:59:35 GMT -5
Kronibas there is a reason I posted multiple character logs and even request logs. I wanted to demonstrate to anyone who might question my statements and my experiences with staff that I was willing to show evidence and let them decide. When you first went rogue and outed yourself, I told you to post your request tool history. Afterall there is nothing to lose from doing it because you outed yourself as the real Kronibas already. Not to mention I confirmed yesterday that I am still not banned despite my posts and I have very much proven that I am Jeshin from the GDB and game.
But seriously people, don't post stuff that outs yourself unless you're willing to be banned. I only mentioned that I remain unbanned because some people claim that posting on these boards no longer leads to immediate banning and by all the evidence I have from my own account that is technically true.
TLDR - You want credibility Kronibas? Put your shit on the board if you have it. Find GDB posts. Copy paste your request tool logs into a google drive and link them. Provide RP logs of your characters. Give us your social security number, birthdate, and mothers maiden name.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 23, 2015 20:31:03 GMT -5
@kronibas: You mentioned this was posted a year ago. What made you think to ask about it now? I honestly don't think the staff would implement that kind of note system. There is a server stability risk in doing it. If they set the threshold for spamcrafting at something they consider to be "spamming" but the playerbase doesn't. A single merchant account could be flagged repeatedly. Multiply that by all guilds and subguilds that provide crafting and account notes could very quickly get flooded with these automated flags. It'd just be really efficient processing wise. Oh no, it's just like any other kind of automated reporting. If you're dumb/lazy enough to set up a system that pings you every time something happens you risk getting flooded. On the other hand, if you just store information into a table some where, then every hour aggregate the results, report them, then purge the old data, you wind up with a much friendlier system of systematic oppression.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 20:34:57 GMT -5
There were always caps on clan membership. Always. Whether it's AoD, Oash, or the Guild. The Byn is the only real exception, due to the theme of the clan. It's the Byn, the Bin, the semi newbie-school, the expendables, the quick to die, the constant wheel of 300 sid recruitment fee and looting their corpses when they die to something stupid. Occasionally, the Byn starts hitting numerous good players new and old and characters begin surviving, which tends to swell up their numbers enough for staff to begin imposing caps. But that's not a penalty, or a punishment, or anything new really. It is simply a matter that Byn is one of the 'few' clans that does not have a cap, since out of 5 people recruited, 1 survives a year. But if things roll in a way that out of 5 people recruited, 4 survive. Then hell yeah, a cap will materialize. That is nothing new and nothing strange. Most clans, Wyverns, Tor, AoD, Legion, Winrothol, Oash have membership caps right from the very beginning.
I cant even comment too much on the whole automated note on spamcrafting. It's so ridiculous, I find it to be an awesome april fools joke. If ever the Imms wanted to assassinate any shred of Kronibas's credibility about his words and statements, they dont need to bother. He's doing it all on his own.
I'm just grateful that these Boards do not massively jump on the bandwagon of "Bash The Staffer", no matter how ridiculous is the topic and actually ask for something concrete. That, in my opinion, adds an immense amount of credibility to the message these boards sometimes carry.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 0:57:26 GMT -5
No, there have not always been caps on clan admission. I mean, most clans until the last five years or so struggled to even have players. There might have been unstated limits on how many, for instance, gypsies there could be at a time, but many clans barely struggled to have anyone involved, at all, for any semblance of time...
There was simply no question of clan caps because it was terribly hard to even get people to stick with clans, period. I question when the first clan caps were imposed on GMH clans. If I were a betting man, I would say when the time that the Kuraci Outriders grew to become badasses worthy of being henceforth removed from the game. So it goes.
Certainly, there were no clan caps on the Black Moon raiders when they had their own fort in the Red and whatnot. If there were, they were very high because the Black Moon was more active than most clans I saw during the last time I was playing a lot - around a year ago - with the Byn being the main exception, wth the Arm of the Dragon coming in a second close - until that unfortunate mantis incident which, alas, was not imm-sponsored; unlike the Byn, they did not require immortal assistance to take out a large swathe or their clan... Being a dumbass worked well enough.
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Jeshin
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 24, 2015 1:17:01 GMT -5
*sigh* Kronibas, I really don't like having to do this.
1) The lack of clan caps when there were no people in clans does not mean there were no clan caps. It just means that no clan had become populated enough to warrant a capping of its recruitment
2) While I disagree with clan caps as a rule (see my posts on the matter in several locations on this board) they have nothing to do with the original assertion of this thread.
3) If anyone knows when the first clan cap was implemented and has some kind of date or request tool or post we can reference that'd probably help sort out how long they've been in place. Or if someone was willing to post in ask the staff about it.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 24, 2015 1:18:46 GMT -5
There were always caps on clan membership. Always. No. Back in the day, Kurac ate 1/3 of the playerbase. It was massive. Naephet created a ridiculous 6 month plotline (Lord of Storms) meant to get people to quit. It was a terrible plan, which failed miserably to do reduce the playerbase, because forcing the most active, populous, player-driven clan to improvise even more activity just made it more active. 3) If anyone knows when the first clan cap was implemented and has some kind of date or request tool or post we can reference that'd probably help sort out how long they've been in place. Or if someone was willing to post in ask the staff about it. Caps went in some point after the rebuilding of Luir's. Early 2000's.
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Jeshin
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 24, 2015 1:20:38 GMT -5
Bitterflashback always super helpful still want to know who you are/were/is
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 11:31:38 GMT -5
i looked for what you were talking about, is this the quote: because if so he didn't delete it edit: tagging @anaiah Just noticed this, but no. In the post he made, he was like: "We have had a code in the works to automatically flag players who spam craft, being worked on by so and so coder, and it will be finished shortly"... Except the way he said it, and the way he condescendingly used the term spam crafter, well, it would have served to troll a lot of people who play crafters. I wouldn't be surprised if it had been deleted after I mentioned it the first time on these forums.
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Post by jcarter on Apr 24, 2015 11:46:33 GMT -5
Kronibas that was in the context of anaiah's post, not yours: If that is specifically what was posted, it's been moved to moderation. A search for 'spam' and 'flag' in all messages in chronological order going back to 2010 (that I checked, there were earlier ones) does not contain it. It's also possible that it was worded differently. That said, if it was exact to what you're saying, it's definitely possible or even likely that it is/was real and was deleted. There was a post Nyr made in the Tuluk closure thread about how he and Adhira feel apartments should be more of a "luxury" that by the time someone had quoted it, minutes later, was already deleted, leaving them quoting a post that no longer existed, so these things definitely do happen, and with some regularity. I don't think the veracity of your claim is up for question but undoubtedly true. I do think that people are getting better about altering history (see: GDB post history) to make themselves look less bad. The fact that you have no proof speaks more to this (to me at least) than to the likelihood of you making the claim up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 12:19:27 GMT -5
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