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Post by Jeshin on Apr 23, 2015 13:36:35 GMT -5
Yeah didn't happen Kronibas at least not anywhere within 7 pages of the ask the staff or announcements. Barring someone else finding a linkable reference I'm afraid this would be classified as a 'busted' myth. Also there isn't a reference to automated spamcrafting notes on this board either.
Fact check next time lest you harm the impeccable credibility of this esteemed board. Good day sir.
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Post by grumble on Apr 23, 2015 13:46:52 GMT -5
i remimber reding wat kronibus iz talkyng about so i no it hapend. i just didnt theenk they wur sirius.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 14:07:26 GMT -5
Pretty sure it wasn't an April Fool's joke - maybe it was mentioned in a discussion thread about another change.
Anyway, the OP was about whether or not anyone had run into trouble or heard of anyone running into trouble with a code/policing players change that was announced roughly a year ago. I thought it was utter bullshit at the time and was wondering how, in practice, it had played out. That really doesn't have anything at all to do with me as a person or anything to do with shady Arma admins of yesteryear...
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Post by jcarter on Apr 23, 2015 14:07:35 GMT -5
Is that what we're doing here now? lol. We're going to be skimming every Nyr's posts to find what Kronibas is talking about and if we don't find it then we must assume that Staff "quietly" erased it when they realized it was a bad idea. "Suspicion haunts the guilty mind" - Shakespeare Dude, you said you had hundreds of munitions that could destroy Armageddon, let's see some real stuff instead of you constantly reminding us that Vanth docked your karma because you wouldn't sleep with her or that Armageddon is a playground for pedophiles. i agree with the sentiment that legit complaints should be backed up with evidence of things, and i think it undermines whatever points you make, no matter how strong they are, to not be able to cite a specific post about the policy. but malken let's be real here and not pretend staff erasing things that make them look poorly doesn't happen. can you find me the post nyr and nessalin made to kronibas in AtS? no, because it got wiped out real quick when they received flak over it. |
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Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 23, 2015 14:13:37 GMT -5
I'm definitely not here to defend the Staff of Armageddon, jcarter - In fact, I was banned from the GDB for speaking against how they handled Kronibas' case. It's just that when you're trying to pick at the smallest of incidents and overblow it, it makes less of an impact on future legit complaints because we don't know what's paranoia-induced falsity and what's legit anymore. So I think we're pretty much in agreement there, yeah..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 14:22:45 GMT -5
At the earlier levels (registered merchant / warehouse lease holder), we recognize that PCs may have to sell things to NPCs in order to make ends meet if they are selling goods. However, from Shopkeeper up, goods and services should be geared towards fulfilling PC needs. Spamcrafting or flooding NPC merchant shops may face an OOC/IC response (blacklisting at merchants, for instance). Use common sense. Did you mean this, Kronibas? (related to making a minor Merchant House) I would rather it be an IC response than an automated blacklisting response. As far as the word spamcrafting goes, well, I think this is one of the things about the game that is subjective and open to multiple interpretations. It is easy to say "use common sense," but I mean, it is also easy for a player to have a different idea of what common sense is compared to what a staff member with the ability to punish said player thinks is "good common sense." Really, it's hard to quantify, and in my experience, it leads me as a player to worrying about getting in trouble or otherwise acting in a way that is punishable... and a lot of the time, I think this sort of anxiety placed on players is probably unwarranted. The looming prospect of punishment is something that this type of code creates, and in relation to the creation on merchant houses, it seems like it would be easy to characterize a player as a twink because of such a feature in order to lock him/her out of a chance at legitimate participation in that kind of clan/House building. I don't really think it's a matter of a guilty mind being a suspicious mind, but instead, the result of facing arbitrarily-distributed punishments multiple times and otherwise being made to feel like one walks on eggshells in a game they really shouldn't have to feel that way unless they are gratuitously or unrealistically using the crafting system. Again, "realistic" is very subjective, so one person may have a very different idea of what is "okay" within the context of the game compared to another - and this is really unavoidable but causes problems all the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 14:27:18 GMT -5
I'm definitely not here to defend the Staff of Armageddon, jcarter - In fact, I was banned from the GDB for speaking against how they handled Kronibas' case. It's just that when you're trying to pick at the smallest of incidents and overblow it, it makes less of an impact on future legit complaints because we don't know what's paranoia-induced falsity and what's legit anymore. So I think we're pretty much in agreement there, yeah.. Sorry, I don't think an automated code to add negative accounts to players' accounts is really a small deal and does probably merit discussion, especially if people are facing punishment or whatever for something like crafting when the rules of what is "too much" or "too frequent" aren't clearly defined. I just don't believe common sense is enough to keep players from tripping over what invisible threshold limit there is for "too much crafting." Really, it's situational. If a person plays for five hours a day, how do you quantify whether or not they're crafting too much compared to someone who plays an hour every three days. That's when the lines begin to blur. Of course, there are some examples which are seemingly clear cut, but often it's not so black and white. |
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Post by jcarter on Apr 23, 2015 14:28:00 GMT -5
I'm definitely not here to defend the Staff of Armageddon, jcarter - In fact, I was banned from the GDB for speaking against how they handled Kronibas' case. It's just that when you're trying to pick at the smallest of incidents and overblow it, it makes less of an impact on future legit complaints because we don't know what's paranoia-induced falsity and what's legit anymore. So I think we're pretty much in agreement there, yeah.. I agree 100% and i'm not trying to accuse or even imply you of anything, sorry if it came off that way. i'm skeptical as well, but I think a lot of stuff gets put into threads that are buried or fall off the face of the gdb earth, which is one of my criticisms for how the rules of the game are laid out and enforced. |
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Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 23, 2015 14:28:23 GMT -5
I'm definitely not here to defend the Staff of Armageddon, jcarter - In fact, I was banned from the GDB for speaking against how they handled Kronibas' case. It's just that when you're trying to pick at the smallest of incidents and overblow it, it makes less of an impact on future legit complaints because we don't know what's paranoia-induced falsity and what's legit anymore. So I think we're pretty much in agreement there, yeah.. Sorry, I don't think an automated code to add negative accounts to players' accounts is really a small deal and does probably merit discussion, especially if people are facing punishment or whatever for something like crafting when the rules of what is "too much" or "too frequent" aren't clearly defined. I just don't believe common sense is enough to keep players from tripping over what invisible threshold limit there is for "too much crafting." No, it doesn't merit discussion because it doesn't exists. As the biggest fan of all things twinkerish and spamcrafty on Armageddon, I can guarantee you that if a system like that existed I would either have lost karma long ago or permanently crashed the server with how long my pnotes would be. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 14:55:47 GMT -5
Sucks if it's true, but then, I started a different account with 0 karma anyhow, something something nothing to lose, so... I really have no reason personally to care one way or the other. For those who do, this would suck something awful.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 15:10:33 GMT -5
What is known, is that Nyr said that a coder - in the comment, I remember him specifying the coder - had already started working on code that would auto flag people who, and I quote, "spamcraft."
It's possible that the project was abandoned. It's also possible that it was made invisible to players. Maybe it was an April Fool's joke that went over my head? Whatever the case may be, I distinctly and unquestionably remember reading it, and the intent of the original post was to see what, if anything, had happened as a result of that code.
If the proposed changes were never fully implemented, I guess that answers my question. It seems like, if it was, then the butthurt on the GDB would be easy to find via searches.
If no one has felt the effects of what Nyr at the time claimed was a sure-shot piece of code that was on its way in, then good.
and sorry for not wading through the GDB to cite my source, but I just do not feel like going to the GDB at all, even if it's to prove I'm right.
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Post by reasonable on Apr 23, 2015 15:25:26 GMT -5
and sorry for not wading through the GDB to cite my source, but I just do not feel like going to the GDB at all, even if it's to prove I'm right. Long time occasional lurker, first time poster. Actually, I signed up because I saw this thread as well as another one where you made accusations about the staff putting caps on and ruining the Byn. You've gone from having possibly * legitimate complaints about staff, to making baseless accusations such as this thread. Asking us to prove you wrong not only delegitimizes your argument, but potentially also delegitimizes other arguments you've made on this forum. You don't have to constantly post accusations hoping something will stick. You will probably argue better if you think the argument through first. *I say "possibly" not because I don't believe what you wrote about your interactions with Nyr and Nessalin, but because in retrospect I personally find it hard to continue to trust in stories that I believed to be true when the person telling that story puts out something that there is no proof of, such as this thread. |
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Post by reasonable on Apr 23, 2015 15:47:13 GMT -5
Is that what we're doing here now? lol. We're going to be skimming every Nyr's posts to find what Kronibas is talking about and if we don't find it then we must assume that Staff "quietly" erased it when they realized it was a bad idea. "Suspicion haunts the guilty mind" - Shakespeare Dude, you said you had hundreds of munitions that could destroy Armageddon, let's see some real stuff instead of you constantly reminding us that Vanth docked your karma because you wouldn't sleep with her or that Armageddon is a playground for pedophiles. i agree with the sentiment that legit complaints should be backed up with evidence of things, and i think it undermines whatever points you make, no matter how strong they are, to not be able to cite a specific post about the policy. but malken let's be real here and not pretend staff erasing things that make them look poorly doesn't happen. can you find me the post nyr and nessalin made to kronibas in AtS? no, because it got wiped out real quick when they received flak over it. Fun fact: it was actually a player moderator that erased that post, because Nyr and Ness were trolling kronibas. Nyr or Ness probably erased the redirection post that said a post was moved to moderation. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 15:50:50 GMT -5
Look, Nyr writing about a coded system that would auto flag spam crafters is not something I made up out of thin air, and neither is the proposition that clan caps are imposed - along with other devices - to curtail growth where admins deem fit.
Sorry if you think those talking points are without merit. I happen to disagree because it genuinely felt like to me that the Byn was throttled because of its popularity and the lack of popularity found in other, more-tended clans, and well, you are not going to sit there and tell me that I didn't read about the auto-flagging spam crafter code. Maybe the latter was a bad joke and I took it the wrong way? If so, then sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 16:08:05 GMT -5
If that is specifically what was posted, it's been moved to moderation. A search for 'spam' and 'flag' in all messages in chronological order going back to 2010 (that I checked, there were earlier ones) does not contain it. It's also possible that it was worded differently. That said, if it was exact to what you're saying, it's definitely possible or even likely that it is/was real and was deleted. There was a post Nyr made in the Tuluk closure thread about how he and Adhira feel apartments should be more of a "luxury" that by the time someone had quoted it, minutes later, was already deleted, leaving them quoting a post that no longer existed, so these things definitely do happen, and with some regularity. I don't think the veracity of your claim is up for question but undoubtedly true. I do think that people are getting better about altering history (see: GDB post history) to make themselves look less bad. The fact that you have no proof speaks more to this (to me at least) than to the likelihood of you making the claim up.
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