Patuk
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Post by Patuk on Apr 29, 2014 11:27:14 GMT -5
In reading the gdb as well, chances are that it's all what's leading up to larger changes for the city itself. For now it's empty, though.
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MartenBroadcloak
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on Apr 29, 2014 11:28:21 GMT -5
The levy is some bullshit. It's basically the Citizens Patrol / Citizens Call from like, a year or two ago, but without the arena to do RL weekly mini sparring RPTs in, no training, no after party in the arena tavern, no lessons being delivered verbally by older, skilled PC's and 'taught' to everyone in the room, etc. So. Gay, is what I mean.
They get tattoos. They also hire breeds. They have... a tent?
Yeah, fuck the levy.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 29, 2014 13:06:58 GMT -5
Maybe some new uniforms would help. for the entire citizenry.
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MartenBroadcloak
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on Apr 29, 2014 13:14:24 GMT -5
Maybe some new uniforms would help. for the entire citizenry. The figure in the Levi-emblem stitched silken greatcloak says, in northern-accented sirihish, pouting, "But Amos, this axe-design doesn't match the embroidery pattern on my velveteen and gurth shell plated hunting leggings.."
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 29, 2014 13:23:38 GMT -5
Maybe some new uniforms would help. for the entire citizenry. The figure in the Levi-emblem stitched silken greatcloak says, in northern-accented sirihish, pouting, "But Amos, this axe-design doesn't match the embroidery pattern on my velveteen and gurth shell plated hunting leggings.." The cockbag of Nyr sends: "Not recognizing good art is poor RP. I'm docking your karma."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 13:30:32 GMT -5
The levy is some bullshit. It's basically the Citizens Patrol / Citizens Call from like, a year or two ago, but without the arena to do RL weekly mini sparring RPTs in, no training, no after party in the arena tavern, no lessons being delivered verbally by older, skilled PC's and 'taught' to everyone in the room, etc. So. Gay, is what I mean. They get tattoos. They also hire breeds. They have... a tent? Yeah, fuck the levy. Also, the Citizens Call was, if I am recalling correctly, actually PLAYER DRIVEN by Raleris Winrothol.. None a that shit in mah Ivory brah.
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MartenBroadcloak
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on Apr 29, 2014 14:22:09 GMT -5
The levy is some bullshit. It's basically the Citizens Patrol / Citizens Call from like, a year or two ago, but without the arena to do RL weekly mini sparring RPTs in, no training, no after party in the arena tavern, no lessons being delivered verbally by older, skilled PC's and 'taught' to everyone in the room, etc. So. Gay, is what I mean. They get tattoos. They also hire breeds. They have... a tent? Yeah, fuck the levy. Also, the Citizens Call was, if I am recalling correctly, actually PLAYER DRIVEN by Raleris Winrothol.. None a that shit in mah Ivory brah. It was player driven entirely, and actually a non-sponsored role bard, and like an indie hunter dude, and another long lived non-sponsored role bard were the originals who got it rolling I believe.. Elrum, Zarah and Aon? At least those are the ones I remember doing speeches and like promoting and rallying people and shit, putting up rumours in the bars. I think Raleris ended up with it in his court after a bunch of random shit killed those three PC's or caused them to store.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 29, 2014 14:36:21 GMT -5
the important thing is it was player driven. Hence why it was killed. "NON-CLAN MEANS OF BUILDING SKILLS, ACTIVITY, AND COMRADERY?! NAY! BECOME A SHARTIST AND BE THE SLAVE OF THE PLAYERBASE IF YOU WANTS FUN!"
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Post by drunkendwarf on Apr 29, 2014 14:47:17 GMT -5
I did the exact same thing with my stump Dargan when he was in the Legions, only far less formal. I got permission to take whoever I wanted into the arena. I made them swear that, if Tuluk was attacked, they would help to defend the city. We began running regular training sessions with people. Did people take advantage of this, knowing full well they did not in any way plan on grabbing a sword and running to the front lines, if the city was attacked? I'm sure. But there were also people that WERE going to help, I'm sure of it. And...it was a very fond memory I have of Dargan during that time. A lot of fun PC interaction going on during those sparring/training sessions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 15:12:44 GMT -5
I did the exact same thing with my stump Dargan when he was in the Legions, only far less formal. I got permission to take whoever I wanted into the arena. I made them swear that, if Tuluk was attacked, they would help to defend the city. We began running regular training sessions with people. Did people take advantage of this, knowing full well they did not in any way plan on grabbing a sword and running to the front lines, if the city was attacked? I'm sure. But there were also people that WERE going to help, I'm sure of it. And...it was a very fond memory I have of Dargan during that time. A lot of fun PC interaction going on during those sparring/training sessions. I think part of the reason Tuluk was so packed and so filled with player driven stuff was that that was when Senga was my admin and I was the only Tuluki st. A lot of stuff got rebuilt to player specs, but it took forever, and anything Senga could do to lighten her workload as she slowly left the game, with my having to run everything through her to get anything approved. She would always show up for circle animations to join the circle, but other than that, I was about the only one doing anything for clans in the area. But the thing is, everyone loved the animations and being able to do construction, but at the same time, Senga was the admin and I couldn't get much else done, but I also tried to do storylines for the players and animated barracks npcs all over, and even just found random pcs that were already solo rping like they thought they were alone and in one of those moods, like junking ants by scattering them back on the ground, out foraging for food in the scrub, so I animated them scattering, some of them taking a leaf, and all of them moving back toward an ant mound. I would say the largest difference in muds and dungeons and dragons DMing is... players DO drive good plotlines and flood to any clans where you're the npcs and their abilities and personalities, for clannies, and acting as the physics, and almost fate on a mud, versus driving the world with 'watch only' rpts that you only watch because the outcome was predetermined. That is... it's healthier for a mud, with its many players and more vast worlds to explore, to let players drive their own plots. You want a wagon, okay, I'll build it but submit a log of the RP behind it, and if it's not precoded (like the ability to permanently alter a room, actually codedly creating a clean for pcs who formed one, etc. The saddest thing about Dargan to me, is that he would have easily become the highest rank a human could if he'd been human. He was that good. But racial stuff kept him down. >.< And yes, Qoriya sucks, but she's the reason why so many people know about psionics and learn to barrier/expel. She's not played -badly-, the player is an awesome player who is great at telling excellent stories. But as a 'player' (playing a character around her at times before and after), being around her character is super brutal if you're not an extremely narrow form. I hated to see this player's special apped sorcerer who had never gathered or cast, and wanted to just play it out as a merchant for an IC year or two... and just checked their bio to see if they knew magick, led them off, pked them. On meeting them. You can't hate the character for being as loyal/cruel as you'd expect, and they're very good at what they do, but in a position of so much power, it has the ability to squelch a lot of different storylines.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 29, 2014 15:38:25 GMT -5
Citizens Call
Brain child of Faithful Lord Dalen and Elrum Irofel. It was a Jihaen sponsored event that allowed nobles to sponsor individual instances of it. Like most good ideas it encouraged participation and benefit for every level but it stayed firmly Jihaen until Faithful Lord Dalen died afterwhich it was maintained by Faithful Lord Mordus and Raleris Winthorol.
Elrum Irofel, Aon of the White Carru Trading Company, Beldyn Dill of Winrothol Cavaliers, and Zarah of Irofel were all people who ran it. It consisted of 90 minutes of sparring, 10-30 min lesson or special announcement, and then an after party in the tavern that was in the arena building. It was a regular event every ooc week for quite some time and the thread is still on the forums. I think it ran for almost a year with very few breaks.
Average Participation 12+ players (including nobles)
Citizens Patrol or Volunteer Patrol
Brain child of Faithful Lord Dalen and led by Elrum Irofel (seeing a pattern with these two). This was basically some filler that the Jihaens created so they could get out of the city and mix shit up. The patrols often consisting of anywhere from 4 - 8 players normally mid level to oldbie hunters and the ocassional young newbie... The patrols would go to Morin's village, clear any kryl, then ride all the way down the road to the fortress at the span and clear any kryl within sight of the road. The patrol also acted as a makeshift anti-gicker militia on several ocassions. It ran every weekday morning (est) for months.
Average participation 4-8 (with Jihaens included)
^ the levy is essentially a bastardization of these two things. Like most great ideas these two things seem like basic shit that a nationalistic xenophobic state like Tuluk would have. Them closing the arena because Nak didn't have a public arena too is just the stupidest shit. It was already citizen only, just like the dumbass levy tents.
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Patuk
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Post by Patuk on Apr 29, 2014 16:12:50 GMT -5
Actually, the arena was closed because people twinked in it forever. For. Freaking. Ever. It ended up in a certain independent merchant getting enough PC's tagging along with his twinkish self that his little group brought more people to the HRPT than the legions themselves did. It was a sad sight.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 16:31:18 GMT -5
And if the clan itself had been created as an official thing? They could have capped it. Meh. It was very lazy handling with the least work possible, and no consideration for how it would realistically suit a story. Fact of the matter is: every time someone gets offended and starts griping about someone else, you're going to lose something, nothing is gained. You can weight a game against twinkery, but you aren't going to crush it. It's hardly like they 'needed' the arena to do that, and were plenty able to do it elsewhere. Attempts at punishing hundreds of people for the sake of keeping a handful from abusing something (to which people will find any workaround), only turns shit into hell for the average player to get to even a baseline level of safety, security or skill. But the people who twink will do it in 1/10th the time of normal people. Fucking with everything to slow them down tenfold slows everyone else a hundred fold just to try and get back to where/what it was, and twinks will continue to grind their way to greatness, they'll just be isolated from the other players longer and more often. *shrug*
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Apr 29, 2014 17:13:05 GMT -5
longer it takes orher people 2 reach same point, farther ahead dey are.
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Post by legendary on Apr 29, 2014 19:32:12 GMT -5
Tuluk is empty because it exists in a bubble.
There is very little reason for people in Tuluk to ever leave the area; all resources save for obsidian are available and skill leveling is a breeze. There is more coded infrastructure (shops, taverns, apartments, places of interest, etc) than in the other hubs of civilization combined. Even buying water from the merchants there is easier than anywhere else in the game. When you combine this with how hostile the city is towards any and all outsiders and how regularly you, as an outsider, can expect to be "ganked" by PCs protected from the criminal code, there is very little dynamic play to be found north of Luirs anymore.
Tuluk exists for Tuluk, protected from the rest of the game world by certain staff members who want to maintain it's special snowflake status.
There is no regular injection of outside influence, save for the GMHs. Adding to that stagnant situation, you absolutely cannot attempt to do or achieve something of note there without staff approval AND involving one or more of the empty clans in Tuluk as well. Even starting a hunting crew will land you in trouble if you become successful without a sponsor.
Tuluk needs to be blown up and returned it's former glory of occupied ruins, where it was a hotbed of intrigue and conflict. The added bonus of having all of the nobility and House population in one city would breath some life back into that aspect of the game as well.
As is, few want to go there and few want to play there because... no one wants to go there.
I really rather enjoyed Tuluk before it became the eyesore it is now.
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