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Post by someguy on Sept 18, 2016 12:46:20 GMT -5
Do you think that the staff project of closing subclans like the Wyverns is a good one? If so, why? Do you think that the staff project of closing stuff to make the game more fun is working? If so, why? I think in many aspects it is a good thing to curb things back and then gradually reopen them where the game lacks depth. For a while there were too many options and too few players. Now it seems to be going in the opposite, which is a good thing as more things could be opened / expanded in the future... I.E. you may not be able to join the Wyverns from the get go but if you work at it, perhaps they could let you in. Staff seems (in my experience) to be open for this as long as you put in the work and nag them a bit. So yes, I think it is working. I mean we had Gith open earlier this year. Since when did that happen? I do feel we should have some sort of rotating clans / houses / tribes a la how desert elves worked. once every two years or so rotate 2 or 3 options for players. Or maybe for a plot only basis a la Gith. Frankly I think they've closed a bunch of stuff and are now reevaluating what they can open without diluting the playerbase and keeping it fresh and alive. The games changed. It's still the same. It's good and certainly on an uptick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 11:30:22 GMT -5
Do you think that the staff project of closing subclans like the Wyverns is a good one? If so, why? Do you think that the staff project of closing stuff to make the game more fun is working? If so, why? I think that the Byn in 2014 was a nicely consolidated base, and, instead of a murder plot to kill them all, maybe the staff could have actively worked to *supplement and build upon* the interest players had in the Byn at that time. Unfortunately, new Templar stuff in the North had recently been implemented, so when the staff created this insanely deadly plot for the Byn, well, to me is just seemed like a very transparent attempt to disperse the players with Byn chars to other clans - like the revamped northern templarate... which was dead along with the rest of Tuluk in short order. A big senseless mess borne from staff side OOC clan population engineering - when they should have just left well enough alone.
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Post by desertman on Oct 15, 2016 11:41:48 GMT -5
I can talk about this more at a later date (in about two weeks, officially), and cite actual quotes and details. All I can do for now is confirm the intention with the T'zai Byn was confirmed as being intentionally shifted in terms of policy from creating long-lasting meaningful mercenary units to "being more about training people for other clans". I found this shift in official policy to be disheartening, to say the least.
It has basically shifted from being about creating awesome mercenaries for as much profit as possible, to being a newbie-school meant to distribute players to other clans in full.
This isn't an I opinion I have.
This was said to me by staff specifically.
When I noted that it flew in the face of the last decade and a half of what the Byn had been about and that if I had hinted about this sort of thing to Tlaloc back in the day it would have been on par with blasphemy, I was basically told, "We aren't Tlaloc, this is a new day.".
"Back in the day", if you hinted that the T'zai Byn was a newbie school or a "training school for other clans", Tlaloc would tell you specifically and right away that it absolutely wasn't and that the people who thought that were spreading a poisonous misconception about the purpose of the clan. The purpose had been and would always be about training high quality mercenaries with the purpose of keeping skilled Troopers as long as possible for maximum profit.
That is no longer the purpose of the T'zai Byn, which is an extremely OOC and in my opinion poorly thought out and implemented shift in policy.
Basically, now you show up and say, "Ok men, I am going to train you to be awesome mercenaries for profit and glory and that is our purpose!", when in reality, your ACTUAL purpose is now officially, "Ok men, I'm going to train you and work my ass off to make you great mercenaries, and after a short time, you are expected to go hunt for Salarr and Kadius, and if you don't want to go, staff will make me make you go.".
So....yeah.
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Post by grumble on Oct 15, 2016 12:10:12 GMT -5
That's... very sad. Would explain why there's some clan-wipe RPT these days every time they get more than three Troopers.
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Post by jkarr on Oct 15, 2016 18:10:17 GMT -5
I can talk about this more at a later date (in about two weeks, officially), and cite actual quotes and details. All I can do for now is confirm the intention with the T'zai Byn was confirmed as being intentionally shifted in terms of policy from creating long-lasting meaningful mercenary units to "being more about training people for other clans". I found this shift in official policy to be disheartening, to say the least. It has basically shifted from being about creating awesome mercenaries for as much profit as possible, to being a newbie-school meant to distribute players to other clans in full. thats fucking stupid so policy wise what did they do aside from enforcing caps to make it harder for the byn to have longlasting meaningful merc units
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 7, 2017 23:12:23 GMT -5
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 8, 2017 0:17:42 GMT -5
Taven's an A-Grade player and person (even if we had different views of staff). She is also an actually good writer, I've seen some of her stuff. This can only be good news for her and given that the majority of her post is about how Arm was overtaking her life, I don't think the staff were as big a component as the blaring lights are saying
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 8, 2017 20:44:47 GMT -5
Taven's an A-Grade player and person (even if we had different views of staff). She is also an actually good writer, I've seen some of her stuff. This can only be good news for her and given that the majority of her post is about how Arm was overtaking her life, I don't think the staff were as big a component as the blaring lights are saying Who'd she play?
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 8, 2017 21:34:37 GMT -5
Good question! Since I am actually friends with her and she is very much (no telling the things), I can't say. Like I would have posted my huge Elrum 'banished' Irofel log along with my other characters but one of her characters makes an appearance in it and she asked me not too.
But they were good! Jeshin approved? Does that work, is that like a stamp we can use >_>
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 8, 2017 22:51:40 GMT -5
Well that just makes me more suspicious that I ran into her.
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Post by jcarter on Mar 4, 2017 10:25:26 GMT -5
From Nergal here- gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,52291.msg981876.html why are armageddon players shoehorning in their hopes for politicians to be murdered in a thread about a video game website why does nergal seem to be more concerned about balancing out that players comment with another baseless remark towards this website a couple posts before that he says this: and yet Arm hosts threads and posts where players give each other medical advice on mental illness and have their players using the forums as a soapbox for statements that will get them investigated by the Secret Service, but hey let's reframe the conversation to how that internet board of people make up lies about our MUD. what the absolute fuck. nergal you need to get your own house in order.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Mar 5, 2017 1:44:01 GMT -5
I'm absolutely blown away by the stupidity in that thread. Let's start with the hilarity of this bit:
Good stuff. Definitely reassuring, and not at all a glaring warning sign the left hand has no idea what the other 13 hands are doing.
What really concerns me are the staggering number of people who believe you can have an open discussion (meaning public, given the context Asche used) in private on a medium the rest of the playerbase has zero chance of seeing.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 5, 2017 6:35:36 GMT -5
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Post by BitterFlashback on Mar 5, 2017 6:36:52 GMT -5
The whole thing made me realize we've never explicitly named the sides in the culture war that led to present-day Arm. So I wrote a tl;dr post about it.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 5, 2017 6:58:00 GMT -5
I was force stored twice, both times I hadn't broken any game rules whatsoever. The first time my clan members wanted to PK me but couldn't because of my offpeak playtimes. Staff never told me the reason, they said 'we can tell you're not enjoying the role', which wasn't true. I would have been cool with this storage if staff told me the reason, but instead I quit the game and only found out the reason much later. I was also a total newb and way too inexperienced for this role, but too stubborn to admit it. Still, I liked the character. The second time I was force stored, I also hadn't broken any rules whatsoever. I was frustrated with being lifesworn to a clan where everyone played other times than I did, and I had no idea what was going on with the clan. I was completely left on my own with my first ever military leadership role and a character who knew nothing about leading people because no one was showing her to do it. (I know how to lead, but felt it wasn't fair for that character to be really good at it unless she had a good example to learn from). I also wasn't allowed to resolve certain issues on my own without the leader PC who never logged in during my times. I was basically force stored because the staffer in charge didn't feel like helping me resolve the situation in a fair, enjoyable (for me) way, and I frankly felt kind of bullied for reasons I won't get into because... that's the stuff that triggered me 3 years ago and I'm hesitant to dip my brain back into it. It felt like the storage was to shut up my frustrated, desperate pleas of 'please help me enjoy this role again, because I love the character'. That character was 100% loyal to her clan and the worst thing she ever did was to let a recruit act up with her because she didn't know how to be a military leader. Judging by the way she was treated by animated NPCs (and I was treated in request responses) you'd think she killed a templar. One time I was threatened with forced storage because of something I didn't do and had no control over. I had been reporting (thing that was happening to me and I had no control over) for some time, but was told to stop seeing things until it escalated so much that a bunch of people complained. I had to appeal to the Producers so the actual ingame logs would get looked at - to prove my innocence. If I hadn't known that appealing to the Producers was even possible, I might have turned into one of those bitter, venomous players who vent against staff. Because I was 100% innocent and the logs, once someone actually looked at them, proved it. I didn't want to bring this up but I felt I had to, to give a voice to everyone who was ever treated unfairly by staff. In my experience, it's not that uncommon. And it makes people quit. fucking hell thats alot of completely avoidable bs
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