Teh spy plot-and other plots in general

Is anyone surprised? Nyr has a long and storied history of actively harrassing out of the game anyone who does something he doesn't approve of, even if it's not something bad. If you have the audacity to do something heinous like play a bard who doesn't immediately join the Circle, he will animate the world in order to effectively end your character. If you pander to his superiority complex and megalomaniac mindset, he will let you do whatever you want even if it makes no sense or adds nothing whatsoever to the game.

He's driving the game into the ground, but Armageddon has spent years building up this atmosphere of "don't question the staff," so he's getting away with it in most cases and the game's death is a slow, quiet process because he has made it impossible for anyone to object or change anything.

I really agree with everybodycries.

I've heard and seen what tuluk has turned into now and its pretty sad. Tuluk always had a small population but at least it had a population.

A lot of the changes and events that occurred flew in the face of two things: 1. what people were asking for and 2. What people had come to know about tuluk.

There used to be a lot of tribal characters in tuluk. Tuluk always had friendly relations with tribals and several characters chose to play that route. Now with the barriers set in place and society what it is, playing a tribal role is extremely hard and not very rewarding even if you join a merchant house. You can rent some of the better apartments or use the entire significantly smaller city. Noble houses, a lot of people used to play Winrothol cavaliers, they changed it, disbanded them and focused them into art. In its replacement you have levies, which is half a clan, no plot, no real purpose (like the byn for example), training is soratic, and you are kinda stuck after you join. The only benefit is mostly food and water which most people can get easily at a time when people are asking to make the clans worth joining. Noble houses in general changes, people used to see hulm nobility as a goal they wanted to achieve, thats gone. A lot of people here didn't like tuluk but there was still a playerbase that for the most part did, sure it needed some changes to allow for more plots and crime but what they got was anything but what they were asking for.

The reason I'm mentioning is because the tuluki spy plot was another blow to that population. People who played in tuluk had a good idea of what type of environment they were playing in, they chose to play in that environment and accepted the rules of it. Then we have this plot that flies against the setting they chose to play in. Suddenly Nyr comes out laughing, saying that it wasn't the setting that was keeping plots from occurring, the players were just doing it wrong the entire time. While more plots in general are cool to have, if you suddenly have space martians in advanced spaceships appearing out of nowhere, it would not be the setting I wanted to play in. You can't just ignore the rules of the setting to suit your needs after forcing players to play by the same rules for such a long time. The changes people were asking for in particular with unregulated crime never materialized. At the end the changes drove away the small group of people that wanted to play in tuluk, some people went to play in allanak, but by looking at the overall population you can tell some people just left the game completely. Starwars galaxies:New game experience anyone?

This staff treats its player base like idiots,lies to them, has screwed them over in the past and then acts surprised that a lot of that same player base is jaded, cynical or critical of the game. The worst part of it all is the people on that thread who believe still believes that its the player's fault for not doing it right. These are the same type of people who think the gap between the rich and the poor is okay, because you can just work a second job on weekends or because people can win the lottery.

Then again I don't know what's more sad, the people actually who believe the crap the staff is selling on that thread, or the few remaining people on the GDB banging their heads bloody on that ginger-colored brick wall, trying to save a sinking ship.

If it makes you feel better, its like that for a lot of people not just you.

Even if you were in the middle of the HRPT, you were just watching things unfold for the most part. And if you got in the way of scripted stuff, in any way, shape or form, well you got teleported to the sky and fell to your death. I guess. I mean even if you joined one of the main clans, militia, noble houses, byn, the clans that should be in the deep of it, you still were merely told of stuff happening around you, not really being part of it yourself. Regular PC can't really do anything grand or amazing.

red robe templars are so powerful that they can't/shouldn't be killed by d-elves shooting them with arrows but Tuluk's psionicist background-reading secret police are so incompetent that they can't uncover high-profile spies even when Muk Utep, a man who can see the infinite possibilities of the future, is hanging out next to them.

seriously this wasn't like it was joe commoner as a spy who managed to lay low and be too unimportant to check out. it was a consort.

Don't forget they can catch a sorcerer that never cast a spell too.

Is it weird that i find comparing two community narratives revolving around a zorg-esq text based game from the 90's so enjoyable and interesting?

Read the gdb recently and the levels of sycophancy are just bizarre but also comprehendable on many levels...

I could so write a paper with this material