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Post by Patuk on Mar 1, 2014 15:16:38 GMT -5
Don't join the Akai Sjir. They are the sue tribe to end all sue tribes What does this mean? The other guy already noted what mary sues in general is, but the Akai Sjir specifically are elves who just so happen to all have purple eyes and white hair and are great buddies with the templarate and are great artists and stoneworkers and all love their city to bits and handle all the Tuluk - delf business because they're so good and pure and loyal. Granted, I dislike the idea of a loyal elven tribe in general. They had the perfect opportunity to create a subversive element in Tuluk, something not entirely devoted and loyal and clean, and instead we have to cope with elves who (somehow) look up to a bunch of roundears and even serve rather than consider themselves above them. Yeah. If you like the idea of that, fine by me, but I prefer for my elves to be bastards with superiority complexes who consider themselves above humanity entirely. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 15:45:58 GMT -5
Is it a good thing to allow a clan of elves to include magickers? If they have a few, they'd magick their mundane members up to be fucking invincible and could start killing everyone around them with impunity. Did the Red Fangs have magicker support, or were they just super killers from plain d-elf ranger awesomeness? If they weren't magicked up, imagine how'd they'd have been with all kinds of buffs and protections. The red fangs had magick help from people outside the tribe who were sworn to them. In FACT, the Sun Runners demolished them because the SUN RUNNERS had magickers and they aren't the ones known as rampant pkers. In fact, there was a single rukkian in the Red Fangs, and they had over a dozen magickers who were not part of the tribe sworn to them to keep from dying, I would know this. Not only was I one of the magickers, but after they got wiped, I actually wound up as tribal clan staff partially over the Sun Runners right after that. So I wouldn't say that it would lead to massive pks, no, because of the 2 d-elf tribes open now, the only one that allows magickers is the one that's actually known to be LESS VIOLENT than the ones who don't have magick. And, that said, the Red Fangs actually had very little to do with magick unless it was needed for roleplayed out situations, like one of them upsetting a wezer hive and having a rukkian gemmed summon an elemental to lead the wezers away so they could try and rescue one of their people. And, what's more, even: Two Moons didn't have buffs of any kind, nor did Quirri, nor did Death/Lash/X-D's ranger. Literally the only magick any of them let be cast on them that I was ever witness to was detect invisible, with the exception of a single session where my whiran cast invisibility on Two Moons for him to see if it made him visible to fire his bow at things (it did). I don't want to sound like a sarcastic asshole, but all I can think is 'Cool story, brah' and wonder how much of this you assume versus how much you've actually seen, since I was pretty thoroughly involved with all that and personally witnessed it not to be the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 16:27:05 GMT -5
Shalooonsh was a good admin, but his work went into all the wrong parts of the game. It's like a starving family where one guy works his ass off all day every day, but what he does is paint wall murals for free. They may be ever so beautiful and impressive, but it's not what's needed and he should have been doing more important shit (than, in Looonsh' case, pandering to mages and elves while the entire human aspect of the game was actively dying). It's a shame the game had no one like him with an interest in the clans that actually matter for more than 10% of the playerbase.
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Post by musashi on Mar 1, 2014 16:34:57 GMT -5
My bad on the rinthi info - from what I'd seen a couple months back it looked like there was a lot of folks around and / or some interesting stuff going on.
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Post by RogueCumSlinger on Mar 1, 2014 16:45:47 GMT -5
My bad on the rinthi info - from what I'd seen a couple months back it looked like there was a lot of folks around and / or some interesting stuff going on. A couple months back rinthi westside was really active. Long story short, a staff-animated half-giant (with sneak/hide and a massive obsidian slab for a weapon) killed at least four active Guild PCs (two of them active, amazing non-com high-rankers) and sent the rinth into the current state of inactivity that it's in now. |
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Post by gloryhound on Mar 1, 2014 18:03:22 GMT -5
Is it a good thing to allow a clan of elves to include magickers? If they have a few, they'd magick their mundane members up to be fucking invincible and could start killing everyone around them with impunity. Did the Red Fangs have magicker support, or were they just super killers from plain d-elf ranger awesomeness? If they weren't magicked up, imagine how'd they'd have been with all kinds of buffs and protections. I don't want to sound like a sarcastic asshole, but all I can think is 'Cool story, brah' and wonder how much of this you assume versus how much you've actually seen, since I was pretty thoroughly involved with all that and personally witnessed it not to be the case. Not sure what you're getting at here, since I was asking a question and speculating what would happen if they did have magickers, not telling a story. I'll tell you what I did see one time though, and that was a character die from a single Red Fang arrow to the neck. In the middle of the night, out in the open, during a sandstorm. I'd like to know how that was accomplished without the benefit of an infravision spell. |
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Post by Lizzie on Mar 1, 2014 18:55:38 GMT -5
I don't want to sound like a sarcastic asshole, but all I can think is 'Cool story, brah' and wonder how much of this you assume versus how much you've actually seen, since I was pretty thoroughly involved with all that and personally witnessed it not to be the case. Not sure what you're getting at here, since I was asking a question and speculating what would happen if they did have magickers, not telling a story. I'll tell you what I did see one time though, and that was a character die from a single Red Fang arrow to the neck. In the middle of the night, out in the open, during a sandstorm. I'd like to know how that was accomplished without the benefit of an infravision spell. She did say they allowed See Invis to be cast on them. |
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Post by spitwad on Mar 1, 2014 19:18:37 GMT -5
infravision self only without kizn
more likely near zone border with different weather
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 19:55:58 GMT -5
Some rooms that display "harsh sandstorm" are seeable if the moon(s) is/are out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 21:10:24 GMT -5
I don't want to sound like a sarcastic asshole, but all I can think is 'Cool story, brah' and wonder how much of this you assume versus how much you've actually seen, since I was pretty thoroughly involved with all that and personally witnessed it not to be the case. Not sure what you're getting at here, since I was asking a question and speculating what would happen if they did have magickers, not telling a story. I'll tell you what I did see one time though, and that was a character die from a single Red Fang arrow to the neck. In the middle of the night, out in the open, during a sandstorm. I'd like to know how that was accomplished without the benefit of an infravision spell. My point is that they did have magickers in service to them. But the ones who actually have magickers in the clan are the only clan of d-elves that doesn't have a rep for being 'the big raiding/pk-happy d-elf clan'. I said urge to say that, not that you were creating a narrative, but because the speculation is so wildly off that it is more or less a story as opposed to what would happen, anyhow, spitwad's correct there...edge of zone thing or something similar. Because infravision is self only without kizn reach. And RF didn't have any drovians who could've cast that on themselves and then shot you, as they allowed ruks and vivs. |
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Post by gloryhound on Mar 1, 2014 22:30:13 GMT -5
Not sure what you're getting at here, since I was asking a question and speculating what would happen if they did have magickers, not telling a story. I'll tell you what I did see one time though, and that was a character die from a single Red Fang arrow to the neck. In the middle of the night, out in the open, during a sandstorm. I'd like to know how that was accomplished without the benefit of an infravision spell. I said urge to say that, not that you were creating a narrative, but because the speculation is so wildly off that it is more or less a story as opposed to what would happen Really? So you think it's a ridiculous scenario, for a tribe of elves, some of whom are magickers, to use their magicks on their mundane members, and for those mundane members to then go out and wreak some havoc? You figure this just would not happen in the game? Comforting to know. Spitwad: I'm aware that it would require the kzin reach, but I also know more than a few magickers have had that reach. Not these days, but back then (post Arm 2.0 annoucement), yes. I've played more than one of them myself. So it's not a stretch. Some further information: this was in smack in the middle of Cenyr, with the arrows flying in from the west. There's no zone boundary within Cenyr that I know of. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 23:03:08 GMT -5
I'm saying that it's ridiculous to assume that magick was behind the stuff that happened with the Red Fangs and that with the past being a good indicator of the future, having the primary magicker clan of d-elves being the one that is LEAST noteworthy for raiding/griefing/pking, that that concern is likely unwarranted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 2:17:43 GMT -5
If this is about an incident where a bunch of bynners, including a byn dwarf that got shot up by arrows out of nowhere in Cenyr. Something like 3 or 4 years ago? I think, I was watching that event. The person shooting wasnt spelled up.
None of the RF affiliated magickers were using kizn. At the time there were two whiran mages who had kizn if I recall correctly and zero drovians.
I distantly remember RF having some magickal rings though. Which they've got off gemmed mages that didnt need them anymore.
At the same time, there might've been some code abuse. I dont remember the details very well. Basically, you can shoot people in a room that you cant see in. Or maybe you can shoot people, even though the room you're in is too dark to operate objects in? Either one is code iffy. I forget the exact problem though.
Generally speaking, nothing prevented RF from getting spelled. But their docs had them searching worthy prey. So overspelling themselves against mundanes would've prevented them from bragging victory.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 2:26:28 GMT -5
That dwarf was in part a reason why charge and trample got changed/implemented.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 5:12:29 GMT -5
If this is about an incident where a bunch of bynners, including a byn dwarf that got shot up by arrows out of nowhere in Cenyr. Something like 3 or 4 years ago? I think, I was watching that event. The person shooting wasnt spelled up. None of the RF affiliated magickers were using kizn. At the time there were two whiran mages who had kizn if I recall correctly and zero drovians. I distantly remember RF having some magickal rings though. Which they've got off gemmed mages that didnt need them anymore. At the same time, there might've been some code abuse. I dont remember the details very well. Basically, you can shoot people in a room that you cant see in. Or maybe you can shoot people, even though the room you're in is too dark to operate objects in? Either one is code iffy. I forget the exact problem though. Generally speaking, nothing prevented RF from getting spelled. But their docs had them searching worthy prey. So overspelling themselves against mundanes would've prevented them from bragging victory. I didn't realize a second whiran had it. I thought it was just Kick who came back with a pc from like 2008 or 2009 with kizn. I know Lyvenxice tricked her into teaching the reach to her, but I didn't realize anyone else managed to get it from her. I never had any contact with her in-game, but saw multiple requests about it. As to the Red Fang docs... I really liked the way they handled magick and thought that it was a sensible and well thought out way to deal with something that is (despite claims otherwise) a very big reality in the game world that can't really be escaped. It combined pride in their own power and disdain for outsiders and especially nonelven outsiders into something that I have to commend the players on handling the way they did. Even Quirri, who openly disdained my whiran for ages while she was making a good amount of coin and ties for the RF. |
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